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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:07 am    Post subject: So... Reply with quote

... do you define yourself as the victim of the world, or as the world? 8)

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I define myself as not sufficiently stupid to listen to this pretentious, pseudo-spiritual shit.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgruff wrote:
I define myself as not sufficiently stupid to listen to this pretentious, pseudo-spiritual shit.

In other words, you define yourself as stupid enough to believe you could distinguish between pseudo-spiritual and de-facto-spiritual.

Must be dreary to be stuck in authoritarian cartesian mode.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a bullshit artist when I see one.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgruff wrote:
I know a bullshit artist when I see one.

Very much doubt that.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgruff wrote:
I define myself as not sufficiently stupid to listen to this pretentious, pseudo-spiritual shit.


You should take up golf.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I define myself as neither. People choose to be victims.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
I define myself as neither. People choose to be victims.

That's a fairly sweeping statement, all victims choose? I am pretty sure they don't all choose, unless you think that millions of jews "chose" to walk into the gas chambers, rape victims "chose" etc and etc.

Still, you probably meant victims defined by a political agenda system, like victims of financial collapse and victims of spousal battery. One should have been more frugal and the other should have left their partner, because it's always so easy. Meh.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
I define myself as neither. People choose to be victims.

…to a certain extent.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sikpuppy wrote:
Meh.
After something "bad" happens, people can either a) deal with it, or b) choose to be mentally crippled, asking "why me," etc, etc.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I define myself as not sufficiently stupid to listen to this pretentious, pseudo-spiritual shit.

Okay. You admit you are stupid, but not stupid enough. So how much more stupid do you need to be?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

About the level of dolphins, or chimpanzees, or maybe even a republicans.

Dolphins love all that new-age, whale-song claptrap. Stupid hippy fish.

I feel like I'm in the presence of a sexual predator testing the limits of his audience, beady little eyes watching to see who is the most gullible. Later, he will single out the shy, vulnerable ones; the lost souls with self-image issues. He will offer them a position as one of his disciples and then shower them with false praise and sperm.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgruff wrote:
I know a bullshit artist when I see one.


++

also: I am the centre of the universe. That is a fact. There is no need for 'spiritual' bullshit.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgruff wrote:
I feel like I'm in the presence of a sexual predator testing the limits of his audience, beady little eyes watching to see who is the most gullible. Later, he will single out the shy, vulnerable ones; the lost souls with self-image issues. He will offer them a position as one of his disciples and then shower them with false praise and sperm.


Your fears are interesting, is that what your authoritarian mindset is all about? To get close enough to the center of power so you could be showered with sperm and false praise? Whatever works for you, dude.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that people can be victimized without choosing to have been victimized. But no one can make someone else a victim. Someone has to choose to identify themselves as a victim and act in a mind-set of being a victim. Granted many victims accept this mind-set after being victimized in some way.

If you let something someone else did to you define your reality you are CHOOSING that process, you are allowing that forced mutation of self.

Someone that rejects the mind-set of a victim will pick themselves up and move on after being victimized, instead of internalizing it as a life-style.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sikpuppy wrote:
pjp wrote:
I define myself as neither. People choose to be victims.

That's a fairly sweeping statement, all victims choose? I am pretty sure they don't all choose, unless you think that millions of jews "chose" to walk into the gas chambers, rape victims "chose" etc and etc.

He's talking about whether people choose to feel like victims afterward, i.e., helpless, sorry for themselves, afraid, angry, etc. I don't think the Jews who walked into the gas chambers has this issue.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO the concept of "defining oneself as a victim" doesn't seem related to whether or not you were punched, robbed, etc.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
sikpuppy wrote:
pjp wrote:
I define myself as neither. People choose to be victims.

That's a fairly sweeping statement, all victims choose? I am pretty sure they don't all choose, unless you think that millions of jews "chose" to walk into the gas chambers, rape victims "chose" etc and etc.

He's talking about whether people choose to feel like victims afterward, i.e., helpless, sorry for themselves, afraid, angry, etc. I don't think the Jews who walked into the gas chambers has this issue.

So it's just the Jews born afterwards then :P I do think there is such a thing as victim of circumstance, it's bound to be harder for someone born into poverty than someone born into riches to succeed.

I'm glad that you can be clear, however, where pjp cannot. You should be his spokesman on all written issues.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the things happen to you, and you can be affected by it, but the identification as a victim is a choice, more or less.
In truth, its a defense mechanism as a reaction to emotional pain by the emotionally immature mind, where the mechanics is that if people could see you hurt, they would pity you and take care of you, like a baby. The problem is that it doesn't work, so all you end up is self-pity and unprocessed trauma, and internalization of it, so it defines you.
What Alan Watts was on about that regardless of what happens to you, its all life. It's not the same as saying "shut up and suck it up" or "life is unfair". It's just saying that life is life, and it is in one's own interest to try and master it with all its variations. You cannot never be completely safe, you can slip in a bathtub or anything, but what you can do is try and change how you process it. If you do that, it takes a pretty damn huge blow to override it and knock you down, but then you get up again.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's "learned helplessness". Some primary causes are child and spouse abuse, rape, and socialism.
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