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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:05 pm    Post subject: Your kids belong to the collective Reply with quote

All you're kids are belong to us

How do you say "fuck you" in liberal?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you not say 'Fuck you' in liberal? Everything they say is some version of 'Fuck you.'

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There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women, and there are families.

Good gal, Margaret. RIP
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The People's Cube has a take on this

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Remember these important talking points whenever you're trying to get backward, reactionary parents to stop clinging to the outmoded notion that their children "belong to them" rather than to the Collective:

1. The Collective will prevent the children from suffering the trauma of having to decide whether they have a mommy and a daddy, a mommy but no daddy, a daddy but no mommy, two mommies, or two daddies becase theu'll be secure in the knowledge that all the womyn in the Collective employed by the State to serve as "mommies" are their real "mommies" and that the State long ago rendered the role of "Daddies" obsolete, so each child will be comforted by knowing that he/she has an entire community of "Mommies" which eliminates the need for any "Daddy" other than The State.

2. The Collective Mommies will teach all boys and girls to throw baseballs the same way as does our Pitcher in Chief, President Obama.

3. All children will be taught to address any adult Womyn (in the "community") as "Mommy" and any adult male as "Non-Womyn."

4. All children will be taught that SSM (Same Sex Marriage) is but an intermediate step in the evolution of the fundamental unit of society becoming the NSM (No-Sex Marriage), with procreation being a decision reserved for the State to decide whose dna should be replicated into a new being according to the number of new human-type beings the Leaders of the Collective determine to be most compatible with the prime directive of returning Earth to the pristine state in which it existed before being raped by Capitalism.

5. The Collective Mommies will protect the pre-womyn children from having any dangerous exposure to dolls, playhouses, kitchen-type toys and the pre-non-womyn childreen will be conditioned to only enjoy playing non-agressive, non-competitive games such as the "How to Polish Your Own All-Purpose Trophy."

6. The Collective Mommies will dress all pre-womyn children and all pre-non-womyn children in the same way-- i.e., unindividualized clothing consisting of a pink bloushirt and pink pantsies so no one will feel "out of style," but each bloushirt shall prominently display the "O" logo.

7. The Collective Mommies will exercise precise control over all liquid and solid nutrition for each child to both protect the child and the planet from harmful diets (or planetary side-effects) involving the prodduction and consumption of any form of red meat, any fowl food, or any inhabitant of the oceans, lakes, streams or rivers in favor of nutrition bars composed of at least threee veggies a day.

8. Condition the children to never forget to use spill-check and sintax-check.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard the "kids aren't yours" thing earlier in the day... pretty freakin scary. Almost as scary as the over-the-edge prayer-healers, et.


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Margaret Thatcher wrote:
There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women, and there are families.

Good gal, Margaret. RIP
And families make up society (locally, regionally and nationally). Perhaps the quote is out of context?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And families make up society (locally, regionally and nationally). Perhaps the quote is out of context?

It is. It's talking about British society which has always been fairly different to American society. It's also, taken as a statement, soundbite garbage.

For all you Thatcherites, this will give you a big fat stars and stripes boner: Salute to Democracy.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys think I've been joking when I've talked about kids being put into Kibbutzes and raised by "professional parents". I gave it as an example of the kinds of socially authoritarian things that stem naturally from economic collectivism. Socialists like to think they are "liberals", but there is nothing "liberal" (i.e., freedom-oriented) in the underlying logical mechanics.

It's one of the things that I said "will happen, because once you lay the wrong foundation, it makes too much sense for it not to happen". At the time, it sounded like conspiracy theory, yes? But now, here you've got people blathering it publicly as a cause, like it's something to be proud of. It's not joke. The systematic extermination of the unhealthy elderly is another such thing ("oh, that'll never happen"). Once you put all the money in one pot, there will be constant pressure to do so. Tradition will only hold such things back for so long. Two lifetimes of resistance for tradition's sake (people who remember such things as "wrong"), and that's the world we'll be living in.

Just like the Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, Vietnamese, Cambodians, etc., they're aiming for utopia, and they're going to deliver us to Hell. The devalued individual will become wholly subordinate to the Collective. The best of intentions will set the snowball rolling, and by the time we realized we're fucked, we as individuals are each Winston Smith and can't even object out loud.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's time to bring democracy to Utopia. All we need is a republican president to start that ball rolling.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think it's time to bring democracy to Utopia. All we need is a republican president to start that ball rolling.

Like Bush did? :lol:
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sikpuppy wrote:
I think it's time to bring democracy to Utopia. All we need is a republican president to start that ball rolling.

Like Bush did? :lol:

Yeah, and the Arab Spring, which bounced right back to the middle ages.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sikpuppy wrote:
BoneKracker wrote:
sikpuppy wrote:
I think it's time to bring democracy to Utopia. All we need is a republican president to start that ball rolling.

Like Bush did? :lol:

Yeah, and the Arab Spring, which bounced right back to the middle ages.

Actually, it bounced to anarchy. Beautiful, pure anarchy, just like dmitchell likes. Then, after 12 minutes, the butt-thuggery, autocratic dictatorship, religious fundamentalist terrorism, pan-Arab racist nationalism, and Jew-hating military juntaism started jockeying for position.

For what it's worth, one of the good things Bush did was to actively and persistently chastize, harangue, and plead with the leaders of friendly Islamic states (e.g., Egypt, Jordan, Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, etc.) to make democratic and human rights concessions for the people. We wanted them to evolve democratically, and not have to go through a destabilizing revolution that would give the fundamentalists and jihadists a chance to gain power.

Obama pretty much blew that off, and largely ignored the subject when he made his big speech in Cairo, paying what was obviously just a bit of lip service to it. Based on his lofty pre-election rhetoric, the commoners throughout the Middle East expected him to step it up from where Bush left off, not back down. That's one of the main reasons revolutions broke out, and why the U.S. haters gained a fair amount influence through them: because the people gave up on having the U.S. as a helpful hand in ridding them of their tyrants and setting up real democracies.

And now after Obama abandoning Iraq and, soon, Afghanistan, no people will ever trust the U.S. to stand by them again. He's got more important things to do, like Obamacare.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you actually stop and think for a while, this Arab spring is good for America.

In the earlier situation, America had puppet despots installed across the Arab world. The populace despised them and all their hate filled rage was directed at the Evil Imperialist America™. With those despots gone (by Arab Spring), all their rage and anger is directed inside and purely focused towards making themselves Islamic republic. Anyone within opposing them, is the enemy.

So, that is why Islamic Brotherhood in Egypt and their equivalent in various Arab states, is good for America.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you actually stop and think for a while, this Arab spring is good for America.

In the earlier situation, America had puppet despots installed across the Arab world. The populace despised them and all their hate filled rage was directed at the Evil Imperialist America™. With those despots gone (by Arab Spring), all their rage and anger is directed inside and purely focused towards making themselves Islamic republic. Anyone within opposing them, is the enemy.

So, that is why Islamic Brotherhood in Egypt and their equivalent in various Arab states, is good for America.

I wouldn't put it quite that way, but there is an element of truth to what you say. In the chaos, the moderate factions will be forced to either take the bull by the horns or cave in and submit. They were hoping for our help, though (beyond covert CIA meddling). We should at least be very vocally standing by the moderate, secular, democratic factions, not trying to "lead from behind" and avoid any kind of commitment to any factions.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope. Remember Hosni Mubarak was secular.

Islamic people detest secularism. You're now doing the right thing by walking away and not looking back. This couldn't be any better situation for America.

As long as there's chaos within Arab world, they won't be exporting that to the west.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nope. Remember Hosni Mubarak was secular.

Islamic people detest secularism. You're now doing the right thing by walking away and not looking back. This couldn't be any better situation for America.

As long as there's chaos within Arab world, they won't be exporting that to the west.

You have an overly simplistic view of the situation. Secularism was not Mubarak's only characteristic, and it wasn't why he was overthrown. There is a very large contingent of modern, educated Egyptians who do not want to live under Islamic law. Saying "Islamic people detest secularism" is similar to saying "Christians are opposed to the separation of church and state".

As to "walking away", I do think it's Europe's problem more than ours, and now that they're recovered from WWII, they should start taking responsibility for their messes. The U.S. should still be giving at least moral support to democratic moderates in these countries, and perhaps doing what we can to influence things.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, lets just say the CIA and the political branch of your country has far better view of the situation that you do. Because they seem to be doing the right thing by walking away.

Proof? How many American flags do you see burning now and during the Arab spring?

Oh and also, modern muslims is a oxymoron.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
Well, lets just say the CIA and the political branch of your country has far better view of the situation that you do. Because they seem to be doing the right thing by walking away.

Proof? How many American flags do you see burning now and during the Arab spring?

Yes, I see what you're saying, because, as everybody knows, the CIA goes around waving American flags. Okay, now I'm convinced.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Actually I found something better to quote: :lol:

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Also, your attempt at ridicule shows you don't understand the importance of diplomacy.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
I heard the "kids aren't yours" thing earlier in the day... pretty freakin scary. Almost as scary as the over-the-edge prayer-healers, et.


bogamol wrote:
Margaret Thatcher wrote:
There is no such thing as society: there are individual men and women, and there are families.

Good gal, Margaret. RIP
And families make up society (locally, regionally and nationally). Perhaps the quote is out of context?


Certainly its out of context. I meant in the internet me me sense like. "Kills Hitler. Good guy, Hitler."
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I thought if one moves to US one doesn't have to torture their kids with red scarfes, hats with red star, holding banners, marching around pretending you enjoy it, citing one's beloved leader, citing Lenin, etc etc.

How times have changed.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*edit* Wrong thread.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The entire video was there, beginning to end, context was there, I got it. The statement, "We have to break through the idea that kids belong to their parents" is bullshit. You want to state that they are part of a collective society, fine, no argument. But to make the statement above in quotes boils my blood as a parent. Anyone who attempts to enforce that my kid doesn't belong to me will get a slug in their grey matter.

Insinuation is just a mirror of intent.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wrong thread?

Yup. Moving it.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wrong thread?

Yup. Moving it.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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called it "a case about the importance of family and the bond between a father and son."

How can she?

What a difference a little bit of time makes.
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