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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Finally, mcgruff posts. :lol:


You've been missing your regular ass-whuppin's haven't you? You just had to try it one more time...

That's you, in the video: Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm-Flailing Tube Man.
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we breed uncontrollably like rabbits, that half of us get fat by waging wars on and exploiting the other half, and that we wreak destruction upon our own biosphere. mcgruff calls this "being social".


The destruction of real communities on the ground and the general feeling of sociability is an inevitable consequence of capitalism. There's no profit in that shit - although ad-men will happily sell you "lifestyle" products and the illusion of belonging. And the NRA will happily sell more guns to increase your fear, profiting from and sustaining this dysfunctional society.

Part of being social means shared ownership of the world we live in in contrast to the dysfunctional pattern of ownership we see in real life (apparently some kinds of hockey sticks are perfectly acceptable). The right to vote means very little in this kind of system; in order to be meaningful, it must be coupled with more of a bell curve pattern of ownership.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Global warming stopped 16 years ago, so who are the 'deniers' now?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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we breed uncontrollably like rabbits, that half of us get fat by waging wars on and exploiting the other half, and that we wreak destruction upon our own biosphere. mcgruff calls this "being social".


... the general feeling of sociability is an inevitable consequence of capitalism blah blah blah blah blah...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Global warming stopped 16 years ago, so who are the 'deniers' now?


Do you agree with that article?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with laughing at your ridiculous ass: "Teh climate models is 95% akkurate nows!" Captain Scyents. :roll:
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Finally, mcgruff posts. :lol:


You've been missing your regular ass-whuppin's haven't you? You just had to try it one more time...


You know who you remind me of, Andy Kaufman trying to intimidate Jerry Lawler.

The resemblance is quite funny, he taunts, he provokes, and even tries to prove he strength by wrestling someone who is Jerry's size.... but only female. And when the match actually does happen, he gets whipped.... and then denies it.

In fact, the resemblance is damn near uncanny, smarter and holier than thou attitude.

Bottom line, you can lie to yourself all you want, but everyone here knows (with special exception to you and a select few others), you have gotten your tail whipped in debate time, and time, and time, and time again.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@BK

What exactly do you think is ridiculous about any of the climate models mentioned?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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everyone here knows (with special exception to you and a select few others), you have gotten your tail whipped in debate time, and time, and time, and time again.


And I also keep getting beat at chess by pigeons. They regurgitate some bigoted, second-hand opinions, knock over the pieces, and then fly back to their flock claiming victory.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bigun wrote:
mcgruff wrote:
BoneKracker wrote:
Finally, mcgruff posts. :lol:


You've been missing your regular ass-whuppin's haven't you? You just had to try it one more time...


You know who you remind me of, Andy Kaufman trying to intimidate Jerry Lawler.

:lol: :lol:

Oh my god you're right! :lol:
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgruff wrote:
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everyone here knows (with special exception to you and a select few others), you have gotten your tail whipped in debate time, and time, and time, and time again.


And I also keep getting beat at chess by pigeons. They regurgitate some bigoted, second-hand opinions, knock over the pieces, and then fly back to their flock claiming victory.


Cute, you should come up with an image of that and put it on the internets.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^
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|___ look at that big empty space after your post.


Know what that is? It's the failure of the anti-science brigade to post anything meaningful about climate. It's the absence of any kind of rational argument from climate-change denying bigots. It's the sound produced when they are confronted with real knowledge: the sound of one big, dumb pigeon wing flapping.

I need to get on with some work. Maybe I'll come back later and there will be lots of thoughtful, evidence-based posts on climate.

Or maybe just a big pile of pigeon shit and feathers.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teh models have been highly accurate for a long time now! If you knew anyting about klimet scyents you'd know this. Only I teh Scyents!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgruff wrote:
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we breed uncontrollably like rabbits, that half of us get fat by waging wars on and exploiting the other half, and that we wreak destruction upon our own biosphere. mcgruff calls this "being social".


The destruction of real communities on the ground and the general feeling of sociability is an inevitable consequence of capitalism. There's no profit in that shit - although ad-men will happily sell you "lifestyle" products and the illusion of belonging. And the NRA will happily sell more guns to increase your fear, profiting from and sustaining this dysfunctional society.

Part of being social means shared ownership of the world we live in in contrast to the dysfunctional pattern of ownership we see in real life (apparently some kinds of hockey sticks are perfectly acceptable). The right to vote means very little in this kind of system; in order to be meaningful, it must be coupled with more of a bell curve pattern of ownership.


And that's where all your bullshit and dogma falls apart, really. It is not an inevitable consequence of capitalism. It's a consequence of human hubris and stupidity, and one can argue if the more shining example of that is capitalism (as in exploiting and polluting nature for no real, physical reason whatsoever, except the drive for profit - throw away your working cell phone, heres a new one we gotta sell to you), or state-sponsored socialism (lets engineer crops that grow at -40C, wait I got a better idea, lets move millions of our "subjects" first, and let them grow those crops... what's that you said? The crops didn't work? Ooops. Oh, well, what's couple of millions of people in the grand scheme of state-sponsored utopia). Teh scyents!

But your vision, or that thing you call brain, or whatever, seemingly only sees one half of the picture, and luls itself into believing that if only everybody was just like you, everything would be just fine. Isn't it so, Jabba The Hut? Where is that clone army of yours? Where is your emperor Palpatine?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know what you're talking about. Crops? State-sponsored socialism?

Oh wait I get it: "the earth isn't warming because communism".

Still, at least that big ol' empty space is filling up. Maybe I can make a duvet. Anyone know how to clean shit out of pigeon feathers?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgruff wrote:
I don't know what you're talking about. Crops? State-sponsored socialism?

Oh wait I get it: "the earth isn't warming because communism".

Still, at least that big ol' empty space is filling up. Maybe I can make a duvet. Anyone know how to clean shit out of pigeon feathers?


Well maybe you should go to the library.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
Bigun wrote:
mcgruff wrote:
BoneKracker wrote:
Finally, mcgruff posts. :lol:


You've been missing your regular ass-whuppin's haven't you? You just had to try it one more time...


You know who you remind me of, Andy Kaufman trying to intimidate Jerry Lawler.

:lol: :lol:

Oh my god you're right! :lol:
He's ALIVE! Where's Elvis?!?!?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The IPCC will seek to explain the current pause in a report to be released in three parts from late 2013 as the main scientific roadmap for governments in shifting from fossil fuels towards renewable energies such as solar or wind power, the panel's chairman Rajendra Pachauri said.

Even the IPCC is admitting their models have been wrong.

I wonder how the site that mcgruff uses to copy and paste is gonna spin this?

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You know you've got a bit of a cheek to talk about copy-pasting when you present idiot journalists who don't know their climate ass from their weather elbow as an authoritative source. Trust me: you're way out your depth on this one.

As we ALREADY DISCUSSED DEAR CAN I GET YOU A BLANKET ETC ETC it would be nice if we could make confident predictions at this level of detail but it's not easy. Energy flows through earth systems get increasingly chaotic as you zoom in to smaller and smaller regions of time and space. None of these fine-grained views, whether they spike up or down, describe the big picture. You do understand what an average is?

In any case, the temperatures are within limits predicted by the models.

And the "slowdown" only appears if you cherry-pick surface temperatures and leave out oceans. Guess what happens if you include them?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Global warming stopped 16 years ago, so who are the 'deniers' now?

The daily fail? Are you fucking kidding me?

I've already explained this to you and everyone else here, the 1997 spike is a single data point. It doesn't mean the climate hasn't stopped warming, it just means 1997 was a particularly hot year. The warming trend continues, regardless. This is cherry picking and statistics distortion of the very worst and most misleading and dishonest kind.

Anything to dodge human and personal responsibility for our fuckups and greed and bullshit.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it would be nice if we could make confident predictions
It would. And it would be better if definitives weren't championed based on an inability to make confident predictions.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Global warming stopped 16 years ago, so who are the 'deniers' now?

The daily fail? Are you fucking kidding me?

I've already explained this to you and everyone else here, the 1997 spike is a single data point. It doesn't mean the climate hasn't stopped warming, it just means 1997 was a particularly hot year. The warming trend continues, regardless. This is cherry picking and statistics distortion of the very worst and most misleading and dishonest kind.

Anything to dodge human and personal responsibility for our fuckups and greed and bullshit.

Fuckups and greed and bullshit. Is that like "Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh my!"? What's fucked up here is the models. The bullshit here is the exaggerated claims of reliability and precision. "ZOMG you don't have teh Scyentism! You Blass Feemer!" :roll:
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it would be nice if we could make confident predictions
It would. And it would be better if definitives weren't championed based on an inability to make confident predictions.


Did you read anything that's been said? Climate is defined as the energy flows through earth systems. At small spatial and temporal scales these are chaotic and difficult to predict but this uncertainty DOES NOT APPLY TO THE LARGER, GLOBAL SCALE OR TO LONG TERM CLIMATE FORCINGS. You've heard of averages, right?
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Oh, OK then. Why didn't you say so. Their inability to predict is a clear indicator that their predictions are accurate.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

while there is human effect on the planet, there is also marketing of toyota priuses, which are not karma-free regardless what some hipsters may think.
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