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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They can't, because it's illegal for anybody but duly authorized (by the President) military forces to be armed with military weapons (with certain relatively low-grade exceptions for law enforcement), and the President has the authority at any time to take command of each state's military and supercede any orders given it by its state's Governor. Furthermore, while National Guard units have been issued weapons, the Federal Government maintains tight control of heavy effects ammunition, such as artillery and mortar shells, missiles, bombs, etc. Even the National Guard armories that hold their weapons are pretty well controlled by active-duty military personnel on assignment to "help train" the National Guard units.


what's the point of the second amendment then? I thought the point is that the population will be armed to prevent a tyrannical govt from doing bad shit. If the rules, however, is that the govt always gets bigger and better guns then the common folk, what's the point?

No army, regardless of its weapons, can handle 200 million armed people. It would take an extreme case to cause such an uprising, but at least we have that option. Also, as we have discussed numerous times, the point of the Second Amendment is to enable the people to organize and defend themselves. The deterrent against Federal tyranny is not explicitly stated as an objective in the Constitution itself, but it is obvious from other writings that this was an intended "side effect". "Militia" are local things.

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We are no longer truly a federal republic of 50 united states, but a republic with 50 administrative districts, and increasingly weak representative legislature and judiciary, and a powerful, authoritarian populist demagogue at the helm who puts citizens to death at will, ignores the law, spends with or without authorization, and will probably run for a third term after he starts a war with China to justify it. And, it's all Bush's fault.

drone strikes are his fault. various things aren't. some things are bush's and somethings were the feds.

False generalization. "Drone strikes" means what? Obama is using something like ten times as many, apparently in preference to capture, and he has used them against U.S. Citizens (in direction violation of the U.S. Constitution). This is the same dummied-down, manipulative thinking as "guns 'r bad, m'kay?" Tools are just tools; it's what a person does with them that matters.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
And, it's all Bush's fault.


More like since FDR.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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People go on about Obama's drone strikes, but it wasn't even Obama who instituted the drone programme. Stop sucking up MSM hyperbole.

wait, which american citizen did bush or clinton assassinate?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big dave wrote:
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People go on about Obama's drone strikes, but it wasn't even Obama who instituted the drone programme. Stop sucking up MSM hyperbole.

wait, which american citizen did bush or clinton assassinate?
U.S. Vice Prezidente Dick Cheney missed. His target was a Texas attorney. They called it an accident. :lol:
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shooting somebody in the face with birdshot isn't an assassination attempt: it's torture. It's the next step up in "enhanced interrogation techniques", after stress positions, heavy metal music, sexual humiliation, frightening with dogs, fake beatings, and simulated drowning. After bird shot to the face comes Honey Badger to the taint.

But we don't do that shit anymore, because European ex-conquistadors don't approve. Now we just erase them, and anybody hanging around them, from the face of the earth. No politically bothersome legal entanglements. It's more humane too; we put them out of our misery. Cheaper, too, when you add it all up.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

:lol:
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ah, you like that idea of honey badger to the taint? I said that for energyman76b's benefit.
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