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BoneKracker Veteran


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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:23 am Post subject: French Martial Arts |
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The ancient French martial art known as Canne de Combat (which translates to "smacking each other with twigs, no poking allowed"):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMdZjyU7i54 _________________ Oldthinkers unbellyfeel INGSOC.
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pjp Administrator


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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:33 am Post subject: |
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First thing that came to mind after reading your title was "probably involves smacking." _________________ lolgov. 'cause where we're going, you don't have civil liberties.
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BoneKracker Veteran


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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:09 am Post subject: |
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In all fairness, one must note that the French have not always been pussies. During Medieval times, they had well-developed martial arts with sword, pole-arm, and kick-boxing rooted in even earlier mastery of stick-fighting and kick-boxing, possibly dating back to tribal times.
Their martial arts were documented during the late Middle Ages, but alas, they became lost arts in The Pussifications (following World War I and World War II). However, French military, foreign service personnel, and merchants learned different martial arts from the sub-humans they were blessing with Civilization and Enlightenment in Southeast Asia. These try tried to call their own by applying the old written rules and documentation from the lost French martial arts. What you see here is one of those results.
The real, original Canne de Combat probably much more closely resembled Rapier technique. The staff twirling you see toward the end of the video clip is much more characteristic of East Asian or Indo-Chinese martial arts, where staffs were small and made of light wood. Staff fighting in Europe probably evolved from swinging clubs, and later war axes and pole-arms. These are heavy weapons, and the technique used in the sporting version of the art would reflect that. One can easily see the pole-type weapons used in Europe (e.g., the Guissarme, Glaive, or the Bec de Corbain) have always been heavy, and one-ended. This twirling and two-ended use of a staff is not European.
They did, however, know how to use the weapons they had. Contrary to what most historians today say, I do not believe it was the cross-bow that put an end to the use of mounted, armored knights. I believe it was the use of pole weapons with sturdy steel hooks, used for dismounting armored knights.
At any rate, it's rather pathetic to see them doing this pussy-spanking now (and being nationalistic about it), after having once been mighty warriors. _________________ Oldthinkers unbellyfeel INGSOC.
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notageek Tux's lil' helper


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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:13 am Post subject: |
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Guy 1: OMG OMG he's got a cane. Must jump!
Guy 2: OMG OMG he's got a cane. Must jump! _________________ What looks like a cat, flies like a bat, brays like a donkey, and plays like a monkey? |
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notageek Tux's lil' helper


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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | In all fairness, one must note that the French have not always been pussies. | So what went wrong? _________________ What looks like a cat, flies like a bat, brays like a donkey, and plays like a monkey? |
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sikpuppy n00b


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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| notageek wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | In all fairness, one must note that the French have not always been pussies. | So what went wrong? |
Gave a statue to America. |
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John-Boy Guru


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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| notageek wrote: | Guy 1: OMG OMG he's got a cane. Must jump!
Guy 2: OMG OMG he's got a cane. Must jump! |
Just watched the first minute or so - and it seems to be a lot of
posturing and not much action.
Also the cane - that's about the size that we used to use to discipline
wayward children, back in the good old days. _________________ When you break rules, break 'em good and hard |
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| notageek wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | In all fairness, one must note that the French have not always been pussies. | So what went wrong? |
As I said, they became lost arts, during The Pussification. _________________ Oldthinkers unbellyfeel INGSOC.
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:14 am Post subject: |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | At any rate, it's rather pathetic to see them doing this pussy-spanking now. |
Hrmmm... 6 ft 8 in, 290 lb... hrmmm... I hope for you that, before posting, you made sure Teddy Bear is not a member of these forums... _________________ In theory there are no differences between theory and practice. In practice, there are.
Don't try to understand my posts. Immanuel Kant never did, he thinks that only music and laughter do not have to mean anything. |
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 10:46 am Post subject: |
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I studied Judo for a little while. I accidentally knocked the wind out of my instructor. Judo is for pussies, like smacking each other with twigs.
 _________________ Oldthinkers unbellyfeel INGSOC.
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notageek Tux's lil' helper


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Right, so when it comes to self-defense, a Frenchman would just employ someone to do it for him. _________________ What looks like a cat, flies like a bat, brays like a donkey, and plays like a monkey?
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aCOSwt Advocate


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| notageek wrote: | | Right, so when it comes to self-defense, a Frenchman would just employ some to do it for him. |
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Hey... everybody can grow-up ! And I've been seriously impressed by the progresses made by several contributors here in the last 2 years !
Congrats notageek ! The first post from you that made me laugh !
Apart from the interesting paradox you mention, your comment is even not far from being true.
For being a competitor in one sport, I would with no doubt be sacked by my federation (In addition with misc other annoyances) if I used my skills (and hardware) in order to... auto-self-defend-myself ...
In France nowadays, you no longer subcontract the things you are not capable of, you subcontract the things you do not want to be legally held responsible for !  _________________ In theory there are no differences between theory and practice. In practice, there are.
Don't try to understand my posts. Immanuel Kant never did, he thinks that only music and laughter do not have to mean anything.
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Prenj n00b


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| When those other gallic chiefs betrayed Vercingetorix, it all wen't downhill from there... as documented in Asterix. |
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notageek Tux's lil' helper


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| aCOSwt wrote: | | notageek wrote: | | Right, so when it comes to self-defense, a Frenchman would just employ some to do it for him. |
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Hey... everybody can grow-up ! And I've been seriously impressed by the progresses made by several contributors here in the last 2 years !
Congrats notageek ! The first post from you that made me laugh !
Apart from the interesting paradox you mention, your comment is even not far from being true.
For being a competitor in one sport, I would with no doubt be sacked by my federation (In addition with misc other annoyances) if I used my skills (and hardware) in order to... auto-self-defend-myself ...
In France nowadays, you no longer subcontract the things you are not capable of, you subcontract the things you do not want to be legally held responsible for !  | And congratulations to you too. One of your sentences in this post made sense. _________________ What looks like a cat, flies like a bat, brays like a donkey, and plays like a monkey? |
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Muso l33t


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| aCOSwt wrote: | | notageek wrote: | | Right, so when it comes to self-defense, a Frenchman would just employ some to do it for him. |
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Hey... everybody can grow-up ! And I've been seriously impressed by the progresses made by several contributors here in the last 2 years !
Congrats notageek ! The first post from you that made me laugh ! |
Actually, I think you're just slowly starting to understand English better. notageek's often been quite funny and the people posting here have always posted in a similar manner. _________________ If I had a dollar for every time capitalism was blamed for the problems caused by government, I'd be a fat filmmaker with a baseball cap |
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LoTeK Apprentice


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what disturbs me is that the french celebrate WW2 every year, but the versailles treaty is definitely a cause for WW2 and they didn't do very much (to say it very very politely )
@aCOSwt:
you obviously have to fight here alone against all other like me in the vegetarian-threads  _________________ "I want to see gamma rays! I want to hear X-rays! Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can't even express these things properly because I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid limiting spoken language!" |
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John-Boy Guru


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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| aCOSwt wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | At any rate, it's rather pathetic to see them doing this pussy-spanking now. |
Hrmmm... 6 ft 8 in, 290 lb... hrmmm... I hope for you that, before posting, you made sure Teddy Bear is not a member of these forums... |
Teddy Bear ? _________________ When you break rules, break 'em good and hard |
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| Prenj wrote: | | When those other gallic chiefs betrayed Vercingetorix, it all wen't downhill from there... as documented in Asterix. |
 _________________ Oldthinkers unbellyfeel INGSOC.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| LoTeK wrote: | what disturbs me is that the french celebrate WW2 every year, but the versailles treaty is definitely a cause for WW2 and they didn't do very much (to say it very very politely )
@aCOSwt:
you obviously have to fight here alone against all other like me in the vegetarian-threads  |
We love the French. We just give them a hard time so they won't give up after only a week in the next big war. _________________ Oldthinkers unbellyfeel INGSOC.
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LoTeK Apprentice


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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:12 am Post subject: |
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 _________________ "I want to see gamma rays! I want to hear X-rays! Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can't even express these things properly because I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid limiting spoken language!" |
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sikpuppy n00b


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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | We love the French. We just give them a hard time so they won't give up after only a week in the next big war. |
I like coagulated milk products, I like the idea of wars being won with minimum bloodshed and I do like to visit the primate enclosure at the zoo. The French are cheese eating surrender monkeys. What's not to like? |
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LoTeK Apprentice


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you know, there won't be another big war, because we humans are enlightened now. We have democracy, human rights and we are a very advanced if not perfect species in every way... so we don't have to prepare them for war... _________________ "I want to see gamma rays! I want to hear X-rays! Do you see the absurdity of what I am? I can't even express these things properly because I have to conceptualize complex ideas in this stupid limiting spoken language!" |
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Prenj n00b


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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| LoTeK wrote: | | you know, there won't be another big war, because we humans are enlightened now. We have democracy, human rights and we are a very advanced if not perfect species in every way... so we don't have to prepare them for war... |
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10 MAKE WAR
20 PRINT "THIS WAS THE LAST WAR; WE KNOW BETTER NOW, RIGHT?"
30 GOTO 10
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That's why GOTO statements suck. |
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sikpuppy n00b


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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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GOSUB is better, that way you can go to a "war" subroutine and RETURN to peace afterwards. That's if someone doesn't BREAK the entire thing with a bunch of nukes.
Do you want to play a game? |
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Prenj n00b


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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| sikpuppy wrote: | | Do you want to play a game? |
Love to. How about Global Thermonuclear War? |
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