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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:39 pm    Post subject: Claim Jihad Seeker’s Allowance Reply with quote

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“All should be obedience to Allah, or you have no right to call yourself Muslim.” At a three-hour meeting in a community centre in Bethnal Green,
East London, he insisted it was wrong to deny any aspect of Islam — including jihad or ultra-strict sharia law.
He told a 30-strong crowd: “We are going to take England — the Muslims are coming.”



I think it's great that we're supporting minority religions - enabling freedom of speech ! Clearly the answer is to increase
benefits and PC-limpness.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zombie apocalypse... I think westerners are lulled by exploration of buddhism and hinduism back in the 60's and 70's, these guys are not like that. They are more like spanish inquisition.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Zombie apocalypse... I think westerners are lulled by exploration of buddhism and hinduism back in the 60's and 70's, these guys are not like that.
They are more like spanish inquisition.


Thing is nobody expected them.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you're screwed. You're the victim of your own PC agenda. Had you sided with Hitler, you would've never seen this day.

Hang on, that's not sound logic. Hitler hated the Jews. Muslims hate(d) the Jews. I see a connection there. Oh well... so you were screwed either way.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Prenj wrote:
Zombie apocalypse... I think westerners are lulled by exploration of buddhism and hinduism back in the 60's and 70's, these guys are not like that.
They are more like spanish inquisition.


Thing is nobody expected them.


I know. People used to think that I was full of shit when I was saying back in the 90s that it is not all that good that Saudi's were helping (symbolicallly, west did provide more actual help) bosnians during balkan war, turns out bosnian police spent years filtering who is who and what their agenda was after the war, and kicking the hate preachers and radicals out. Guys like that don't tolerate secular, more alegorical interpretation of the religion, and furthermore they actively try to infiltrate, subvert and radicalize population. I am glad that it didn't work according to their plans, but it's a pain the ass, and I think that politicians and police in western countries have to adopt more nuanced perspective and take off PC glasses.

I mean I don't really agree with a lot of how modern life is run, but it's dangerous to let dissatisfaction with state of economy and society today be hijacked by those zombie assholes, and let them radicalize population in the name of political correctness.

Pragmatism has to stand in higher regard than 7th century religious nonsense, but its damn hard and dodgy work. For example, you need people from those communities that will slowly work against radicals and thus isolating them, it worked in Bosnia mainly due to the fact that radicals were often foreigners so their influence was limited, but in mixed demographics like you have in UK it's a bit harder.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Claim Jihad Seeker’s Allowance Reply with quote

John-Boy wrote:
I think it's great that we're supporting minority religions - enabling freedom of speech ! Clearly the answer is to increase
benefits and PC-limpness.
On the "plus" side, it seems like it will be a minimally violent reverse-coup.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow! Muslims and jobseekers all in one story... If I was right-wing I'd probably just have come in my pants.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wow! Muslims and jobseekers all in one story... If I was right-wing I'd probably just have come in my pants.


You refute the veracity of the article I presume ?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You guys might want to get this under control.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

question: are crossbows legal in England?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can honestly say that the tory party are a bigger danger to the people of UK. They've already killed more people than this chump ever will.

Oh and nice photo.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

while almost everything about this story is bullshit, i do agree with him on one point.

I see a lot of people being "slaves" ( within reason ) to their jobs, and it makes me sad.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I see a lot of people being "slaves" ( within reason ) to their jobs, and it makes me sad.
A lot of people "need" too much stuff.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
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I see a lot of people being "slaves" ( within reason ) to their jobs, and it makes me sad.
A lot of people "need" too much stuff.

Yeah, George Carlin said of the adage "My needs are not being met" that people should maybe "get fewer needs then!".
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep. I'm not yet able to give up indoor plumbing, running water, electricity, grocery stores or the internets. Beyond that, it's all optional. If push came to shove, I could probably give up the internets, I'd just prefer to not.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, and: Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can honestly say that the tory party are a bigger danger to the people of UK. They've already killed more people than this chump ever will.

Oh and nice photo.


Still haven't answered my question.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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question: are crossbows legal in England?


If it's pointy - no. They'll probably ban pencils next.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:22 am    Post subject: Re: Claim Jihad Seeker’s Allowance Reply with quote

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“All should be obedience to Allah, or you have no right to call yourself Muslim.” At a three-hour meeting in a community centre in Bethnal Green,
East London, he insisted it was wrong to deny any aspect of Islam — including jihad or ultra-strict sharia law.
He told a 30-strong crowd: “We are going to take England — the Muslims are coming.”



I think it's great that we're supporting minority religions - enabling freedom of speech ! Clearly the answer is to increase
benefits and PC-limpness.


I don't see the problem. isn't he doing what you want - integrating with the rest of society and adopting the native brits' culture? :lol: I mean, the guy speaks english, is on benefits, etc what else do you want?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Still haven't answered my question.


Yeah I did. Who cares what he says? It's a free country. If he breaks the law in some way he'll get arrested, same as everyone else. If he's entitled to benefits he should get them, same as everyone else.

A comically ludicrous Murdoch rag publishes a comically ludicrous underlit photo of scary muslim guy with a comically ludicrous story about eating babies and killing the prime minister. Actually that last part isn't so bad.

You don't think that maybe, just maybe, someone is trying to push your buttons?

Personally, I've never read the Sun. I can never get past the tits on page 3.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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John-Boy wrote:
Still haven't answered my question.


Yeah I did. Who cares what he says? It's a free country. If he breaks the law in some way he'll get arrested, same as everyone else. If he's entitled to benefits he should get them, same as everyone else.

A comically ludicrous Murdoch rag publishes a comically ludicrous underlit photo of scary muslim guy with a comically ludicrous story about eating babies and killing the prime minister. Actually that last part isn't so bad.

You don't think that maybe, just maybe, someone is trying to push your buttons?

Personally, I've never read the Sun. I can never get past the tits on page 3.


Yeah, I don't get his beef. If he is against rampant benefits collecting, that's one thing. But surely he can't be arguing that if you collect benefits you have to wear a muzzle? Either he is eligible to collect or he is not. Either he is breaking some law of speech or he is not.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm actually kind of amazed that Sun journalists took time off trying to snatch some celebrity upskirt shots to do an, er, serious political story like this. I guess that's progress.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm actually kind of amazed that Sun journalists took time off trying to snatch some celebrity upskirt shots to do an, er, serious political story like this. I guess that's progress.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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John-Boy wrote:
Still haven't answered my question.


Yeah I did. Who cares what he says?


Nope. Just yes or no. Let's try again - without a diatribe or an attack on the source.

Do you dispute the accuracy of the story ?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want to have a serious conversation about the accuracy of... the Sun...?!!
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