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| I'm sure there would be excuses, but whether they are any good would be another matter. I only have to watch a few episodes of COPS to wonder how much force is required to subdue a suspect. If the amount they use on that show is less than the amount used normally (they are unlikely to show anything incriminating on that show) then the bar for excessive force is set rather high. |
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It wasn't a strip search. They simply stripped her naked and left her to sober off for 6 hours, because, as they claim, she was a suicide risk.
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| aidanjt wrote: | | It wasn't a strip search. They simply stripped her naked and left her to sober off for 6 hours, because, as they claim, she was a suicide risk. |
Yeah cos thats a standard procedure... |
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| Prenj wrote: | | aidanjt wrote: | | It wasn't a strip search. They simply stripped her naked and left her to sober off for 6 hours, because, as they claim, she was a suicide risk. |
Yeah cos thats a standard procedure... |
For psychopaths, yeah. But even police procedure requires that only female officers perform a forced stripping. They stepped over the line of being over the line.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Seriously, WTF? |
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Authoritarian Left for the Win! Let's be "clear"; they were only doing what was best for her.
Get used to it, folks; this is the path we are now headed down.
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left?
Police brutality and the laws covering it is good old capitalist fascism.
Congratulation, your country is fucked.
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I'm pretty sure we are missing a lot of pertinent information.
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| energyman76b wrote: | | Police brutality and the laws covering it is good old capitalist fascism. |
That's what Germany happened to have experienced, but, as the weight loss advertisements say, "Results Not Typical". Practically all of the authoritarian collectivism going on in the world since World War II is coming straight from the Left.
Capitalists have no interest in putting disorderly drunks in jail; it's bad for business. That's why we have Vegas, Daytona Beach, Bourbon Street, and a thriving "Clubbing" culture. This was Big Brother putting her in her place because she was shooting her mouth off at the Polizei; communicating in no uncertain terms "We the State will decide what is best for you, and you are helpless and shall learn to be compliant." It's Room 101.
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Not good, but looked like at least 2 female cops to me (with the one obvious male holding her down).
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(VIDEO) A police officer in Philadelphia was caught on video hitting a woman in the face at the city's 50th Annual Puerto Rican Day Parade on Sunday.
Coldcock cop: I thought I was swiping a Corona
| Quote: | Even former Philadelphia Police Lt. Jonathan Josey called the video "disturbing."
The video of him swinging at and decking a woman at a Fairhill street party after last year's Puerto Rican Day parade was enough to end his decorated 19-year police career and get him charged with simple assault.
But after a three-hour nonjury trial Tuesday, in which Josey testified that he accidentally hit Aida Guzman while trying to knock a beer bottle from her hand, a troubled-looking Municipal Court Judge Patrick F. Dugan seemed uncertain.
Saying he "needed more time to digest this," Dugan said he would announce his verdict from the bench on Feb. 26.
Dugan, 52, a judge since 2007 and a decorated Army captain who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, acknowledged the groans his delay triggered.
The courtroom was packed way beyond its 109-person capacity. Most appeared to be police officers or officials of the city's police union, and many wore the distinctive black leather uniform of the Highway Patrol, to which Josey was assigned.
As clear-cut as the seconds-long video appears, both Josey and Guzman may have muddled its impact in their testimony.
The Sept. 30 video shows Josey striding after Guzman during a chaotic incident at Fifth Street and Lehigh Avenue.
About 6 p.m. that day, witnesses testified, a crowd of about 1,000 was reveling at the intersection when a gray Honda S2000 began "doing doughnuts."
Josey testified that the car nearly hit a police barricade and pedestrians, and that he ordered police to arrest the driver.
As up to 20 officers moved toward the car, the crowd began booing, Josey said, and beer bottles shattered on the sidewalk around them.
Josey and several other officers said they were doused with beer from the crowd.
On the video, Guzman, with Josey approaching from behind, moves from right to left. When Josey reaches Guzman, the white-shirted lieutenant swings at her, but his right hand disappears from view behind the right side of Guzman's face.
Guzman, 40, a mother of three from Chester, falls to the ground, and Josey handcuffs her.
Josey testified that he believed Guzman had thrown beer at him, although he acknowledged he did not see her do so.
Josey said he turned and saw Guzman jumping with a bottle of Corona in her right hand: "I was putting two and two together."
Josey testified he only tried to "swipe" the bottle from Guzman's hand.
"The video looks disturbing. But, obviously, it's not what it appears to be," Josey said. "I was kind of shocked when I saw her go to the ground. I didn't expect to come into contact with her face."
Guzman, who got a cut lip and elbow, watched the video in court and maintained that she never threw beer, though she admitted shooting a can of Silly String over the crowd.
Guzman, testifying through a Spanish interpreter, said she began walking away after she was splashed with beer and feared how police might react.
As she walked away, Guzman said, she was knocked to the ground and heard a voice say, "That's what you get for throwing liquid, water, at police."
Josey cited Guzman for disorderly conduct, but the District Attorney's Office, after viewing the video, dismissed the count and instead charged Josey.
Defense attorney Fortunato N. Perri Jr. urged Dugan to acquit Josey and condemned the impact of videos gone viral on the Internet.
"You don't convict a man on a seven-second clip on YouTube," he said.
Assistant District Attorney Sybil Scott-Murphy argued that for simple assault, she did not have to prove that Josey hit Guzman to hurt her. Scott-Murphy said she only needed to prove Josey's acts were "reckless given the circumstances." |
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| Quote: | "You don't convict a man on a seven-second clip on YouTube," he said.
Assistant District Attorney Sybil Scott-Murphy argued that for simple assault, she did not have to prove that Josey hit Guzman to hurt her. Scott-Murphy said she only needed to prove Josey's acts were "reckless given the circumstances." |
Given the circumstances, reckless seems one thing they weren't.
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| Looking at the video it does seem he was aiming for the bottle she was spraying the police with. But her stupid head got in the way. Oh well. |
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The first time I saw it (before reading the article), I didn't think it looked like a punch. That it knocked her down seemed somewhat surprising.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | Police brutality and the laws covering it is good old capitalist fascism. |
That's what Germany happened to have experienced, but, as the weight loss advertisements say, "Results Not Typical". Practically all of the authoritarian collectivism going on in the world since World War II is coming straight from the Left.
Capitalists have no interest in putting disorderly drunks in jail; it's bad for business. That's why we have Vegas, Daytona Beach, Bourbon Street, and a thriving "Clubbing" culture. This was Big Brother putting her in her place because she was shooting her mouth off at the Polizei; communicating in no uncertain terms "We the State will decide what is best for you, and you are helpless and shall learn to be compliant." It's Room 101. |
you have Vegas because the Mafia paid the right people.
Capitalists love nothing more than a hard handed dictatorship. This makes it easy to suck the life blood out of everyone and make lots of profit.
Pinochet
Argentinian Junta
Greek Junta
United Fruit.
Do I really need to say more? Oh wait, yes:
Putin
whenever there is a oppressive dictatorship you can be sure capitalism is involved. If you start with China: that is capitalism at its worst.
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I don't think you know what capitalism means.
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| I think you guys are mixing up corporatism and capitalism. |
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| Prenj wrote: | | I think you guys are mixing up corporatism and capitalism. |
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Okay, you know I am no defender of the cops, yet it looks to me that he was trying to knock the drink out of her hand, and accidentally open handed her right in the face.
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| Prenj wrote: | | I think you guys are mixing up corporatism and capitalism. |
Anarcho-capitalism doesn't have a monopoly on capitalism.
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| Muso wrote: | | I don't think you know what capitalism means. |
I know it very well.
You on the other hand don't realize that capitalism and democracy are opposites.
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| energyman76b wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | I don't think you know what capitalism means. |
I know it very well.
You on the other hand don't realize that capitalism and democracy are opposites. |
I don't know about opposites, yet one is an economic system, and the other is social. If you mean that the consumer is free to "vote" for Product X or System Z over competing brands, then capitalism would come the closest.
I'm with Prenj. I think you are mixing up corporatism mixed with government cronyism with capitalism.
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Don't you guys get tired of arguing the same thing over and over and over again?
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No.
We are still here, are we not?
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