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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Especially when they are meanwhile slipping horse meat in food supplies. What will be next? Excess Chinese infants? Problem? Religious issue?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Especially when they are meanwhile slipping horse meat in food supplies. What will be next? Excess Chinese infants? Problem? Religious issue?


Nothing wrong with horse meat.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to you and Catherine the Great.

That is, I'm assuming you meant as food. I just couldn't think of anyone else who might agree.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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According to you and Catherine the Great.

That is, I'm assuming you meant as food. I just couldn't think of anyone else who might agree.


Well in parts of balkan and central europe, horse meat was traditionally used for sausages. I mean the horse dies, why waste the stuff. It is good meat, horse doesn't eat crap.

You guys may just be squemish for the same reason people don't eat dogs in western countries, but as meat, horse is not bad.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've heard it is tough. Though now that I think of it, I can't recall the source, or why I would have thought it credible given that it isn't considered food for human consumption in the US.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've heard it is tough. Though now that I think of it, I can't recall the source, or why I would have thought it credible given that it isn't considered food for human consumption in the US.


Yeah it is somewhere between beef and venison. I only ate it few times, afaik nobody breeds horses for meat, but there are traditional recipes in different countries that incorporate horse meat. It goes back to the old agricultural societies where everything was used, waste was not an option.

The taboo of eating horse meat exists in most of the english-speaking world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horse_meat
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Horse meat is the culinary name for meat cut from a horse.

Fucking Wikipedia. Saving minds, one at a time.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Horse meat is the culinary name for meat cut from a horse.

Fucking Wikipedia. Saving minds, one at a time.


:lol:

Apparently, you can get horse meat in Quebec. Figures.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've heard it is tough. Though now that I think of it, I can't recall the source, or why I would have thought it credible given that it isn't considered food for human consumption in the US.

Probably tough if it's an old horse, depends on what grade of beef/lamb you are comparing it to.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've heard it is tough. Though now that I think of it, I can't recall the source, or why I would have thought it credible given that it isn't considered food for human consumption in the US.

Probably tough if it's an old horse, depends on what grade of beef/lamb you are comparing it to.

What's kangaroo steak like?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What's kangaroo steak like?

Like beef. It needs to be cooked quickly or it does become tough.
BoneKracker wrote:
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Horse meat is the culinary name for meat cut from a horse.

Fucking Wikipedia. Saving minds, one at a time.

Filet l'equine mignon?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
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Horse meat is the culinary name for meat cut from a horse.


Deep. :)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It goes back to the old agricultural societies where everything was used, waste was not an option.
Well sure, but poor people will eat just about anything. Crap stuffed and buried for a month or more, anus, intestines, etc., etc. Just because they did doesn't mean I ought to :D I look at it as them having suffered so I don't have to. (Many thanks!)
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prenj wrote:
horse meat was traditionally used for sausages.



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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lying to people and putting stuff in their food that they don't want. Great message to send them.


the message is: this is a prison. This is not a hotel. You are not here to enjoy yourself.


It isn't hard. Don't put pork in their food. That is hardly living the high life.


really? is it? with slaughterhouses mixing up all kinds of meats?

but there is an even simpler solution:

if you don't want to eat pork, don't live in a pork eater country (you are not forced to live there - or enter at the first place) or don't commit crimes.

See? Simple.


my guess is even in germany you have the right not to eat pork.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, clearly, if we are nice to convicted criminals, they will be become nice people too. This is why we incarcerate them: because it's nice.


I didn't say be nice. I say we should be dignified and humane. Part of being humane is not sticking pork in food if we can help it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just give them Spam, there's fuck all pork in that.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
BoneKracker wrote:

Yes, clearly, if we are nice to convicted criminals, they will be become nice people too. This is why we incarcerate them: because it's nice.


I didn't say be nice. I say we should be dignified and humane. Part of being humane is not sticking pork in food if we can help it.
There is that and the fact the supply chain has been compromised is also a point of concern (forget pork for a moment, what about diseased meat from someone after a quick buck or laced meat...).

It however is a bit rich where muslims who are in prison for breaking the law, laws which actually align with being a good muslim (a good jew, a good human...) then harp up when they are given someone against their religion
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BoneKracker wrote:

Yes, clearly, if we are nice to convicted criminals, they will be become nice people too. This is why we incarcerate them: because it's nice.


I didn't say be nice. I say we should be dignified and humane. Part of being humane is not sticking pork in food if we can help it.
There is that and the fact the supply chain has been compromised is also a point of concern (forget pork for a moment, what about diseased meat from someone after a quick buck or laced meat...).

It however is a bit rich where muslims who are in prison for breaking the law, laws which actually align with being a good muslim (a good jew, a good human...) then harp up when they are given someone against their religion


of course it is a bit rich. I don't hold prisoners to high standards; they are there for a reason. But that of course doesn't imply that OUR standards should drop.
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juniper wrote:
energyman76b wrote:
juniper wrote:
energyman76b wrote:
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lying to people and putting stuff in their food that they don't want. Great message to send them.


the message is: this is a prison. This is not a hotel. You are not here to enjoy yourself.


It isn't hard. Don't put pork in their food. That is hardly living the high life.


really? is it? with slaughterhouses mixing up all kinds of meats?

but there is an even simpler solution:

if you don't want to eat pork, don't live in a pork eater country (you are not forced to live there - or enter at the first place) or don't commit crimes.

See? Simple.


my guess is even in germany you have the right not to eat pork.


probably. Something I would change as benevolent dictator for life. I would introduce mandatory pork feast days. And suddenly we would get rid of all those pesky muslims, vegans, vegetarians. The world, a better place.

But back to horse meat:
Rheinischer Sauerbraten 'nuff said.

One of my grandfathers refused to eat horse meat/horse sausages (I could get them in the supermarket around the corner, but a bit pricey for me. A horse butcher is less than 10min away from my door. Just saying) - for political reasons. You don't eat your heraldic animal he said. So my grandma served him horse - and just did not tell him.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Part of being humane is not sticking pork in food if we can help it.


It would also be nice not to be fed meat that has been butchered according to the doctrines of halal.

If you can, all I'm say'in.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Part of being humane is not sticking pork in food if we can help it.


It would also be nice not to be fed meat that has been butchered according to the doctrines of halal.

If you can, all I'm say'in.


sure. if it can easily be done.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sure. if it can easily be done.


I'm on about gen pop

edit - are you saying that it's not OK to feed prisoners porky products
, but fine to feed them halal , regardless of their personal beliefs ?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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sure. if it can easily be done.


I'm on about gen pop

edit - are you saying that it's not OK to feed prisoners porky products
, but fine to feed them halal , regardless of their personal beliefs ?

Huh? Halal isn't just about ritual slaughter, it's analogous to Kosher when describing foods. The Venn diagram of what non-Muslim people eat overlaps with Muslim halal foods.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Huh? Halal isn't just about ritual slaughter


That's part of it though. It s also fair and reasonable not to have to eat meat that has been butchered
in such a way. Besides, you may also have moral objections to eating food that has been prepared according
to any religions prescript.
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