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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:05 pm    Post subject: It now is illegal to unlock your cell phone. Reply with quote

I can't wait for car manufacturers to do something similar.

It now is illegal to unlock your cell phone.
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Why now? Starting today, the U.S. Copyright Office and Library of Congress are no longer allowing phone unlocking as an exemption under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

You can read the full docket here but, in short, it is illegal to unlock a phone from a carrier unless you have that carrier's permission to do so. If you're wondering what this has to do with copyright, it turns out not much.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unlock? No, you're truly breaking the law if you're locking your phone.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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you're truly breaking the law if you're locking your phone.
Actually, that is only illegal if you refuse to unlock it for authorities. Our 5th amendment is no longer a protection.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you still buy unlocked phones (probably from overseas), or is it soon to be illegal too?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crony Capitalism.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can you still buy unlocked phones (probably from overseas), or is it soon to be illegal too?
It is only applicable to subsidized phones, so unlocked phones a still available.

I'm half tempted to get one, unlock it and use CM or something, just to see what they do. Except I'm not willing to pay to be raped for the monthly cost of subsidized data plans.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

US Copyright is broken.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
notageek wrote:
Can you still buy unlocked phones (probably from overseas), or is it soon to be illegal too?
It is only applicable to subsidized phones, so unlocked phones a still available.

I'm half tempted to get one, unlock it and use CM or something, just to see what they do. Except I'm not willing to pay to be raped for the monthly cost of subsidized data plans.


I highly doubt they'll prosecute an individual who tries to unlock their phone. Where this applies to is people who post the methods or exploits on how to unlock phones -- XDA comes to mind-- can be shutdown quickly by ICE without due process. This really bothers me.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But it still only applies (according to the article) to subsidized phones. So as long as they (XDA, etc.) don't do it to a subsidized phone, they should be OK. The main goal is to prevent you from leaving the carrier subsidizing your phone and taking it elsewhere. Which in the US isn't really all that much of an option (yet... LTE?).
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
Can you still buy unlocked phones (probably from overseas), or is it soon to be illegal too?


all google phones are sold unlocked.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's messed. LOL USA.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Title fail, needs LOL USA tag. :lol:
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It screws up the Big Brother monitoring system if you take a phone from one carrier and use it with another. Something about middleware and message queuing protocols.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It screws up the Big Brother monitoring system if you take a phone from one carrier and use it with another. Something about middleware and message queuing protocols.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. Here, subsidized phones are sold unlocked - for a few years now.

The carrier shouldn't care since anyway you've got to pay throughout the whole 2 years, or whatever the length or the plan.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Interesting. Here, subsidized phones are sold unlocked - for a few years now.

The carrier shouldn't care since anyway you've got to pay throughout the whole 2 years, or whatever the length or the plan.

It's the pre-paid industry that would benefit most from this since people buy a cheap phone and then want to swap to a cheaper pay as you go provider. The carriers here charge a fee to unlock the phone before a certain period, or before a certain amount of recharge is paid. But unlocking the phone would negate that, is it the same Stateside?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sikpuppy wrote:
szczerb wrote:
Interesting. Here, subsidized phones are sold unlocked - for a few years now.

The carrier shouldn't care since anyway you've got to pay throughout the whole 2 years, or whatever the length or the plan.

It's the pre-paid industry that would benefit most from this since people buy a cheap phone and then want to swap to a cheaper pay as you go provider. The carriers here charge a fee to unlock the phone before a certain period, or before a certain amount of recharge is paid. But unlocking the phone would negate that, is it the same Stateside?


But you are still bound to pay the subsidized plan all the way throu. So why would they care? It's even better for them if you're not using their infrastructure and paying for it?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

szczerb wrote:
sikpuppy wrote:
szczerb wrote:
Interesting. Here, subsidized phones are sold unlocked - for a few years now.

The carrier shouldn't care since anyway you've got to pay throughout the whole 2 years, or whatever the length or the plan.

It's the pre-paid industry that would benefit most from this since people buy a cheap phone and then want to swap to a cheaper pay as you go provider. The carriers here charge a fee to unlock the phone before a certain period, or before a certain amount of recharge is paid. But unlocking the phone would negate that, is it the same Stateside?


But you are still bound to pay the subsidized plan all the way throu. So why would they care? It's even better for them if you're not using their infrastructure and paying for it?

No plan for pre-paid. That's why it's called pre-paid. Because it's pre-paid.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sikpuppy wrote:
szczerb wrote:
sikpuppy wrote:
szczerb wrote:
Interesting. Here, subsidized phones are sold unlocked - for a few years now.

The carrier shouldn't care since anyway you've got to pay throughout the whole 2 years, or whatever the length or the plan.

It's the pre-paid industry that would benefit most from this since people buy a cheap phone and then want to swap to a cheaper pay as you go provider. The carriers here charge a fee to unlock the phone before a certain period, or before a certain amount of recharge is paid. But unlocking the phone would negate that, is it the same Stateside?


But you are still bound to pay the subsidized plan all the way throu. So why would they care? It's even better for them if you're not using their infrastructure and paying for it?

No plan for pre-paid. That's why it's called pre-paid. Because it's pre-paid.
So you can buy subsidized phones in prepaid plans with no obligations?!
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szczerb wrote:
sikpuppy wrote:
szczerb wrote:
sikpuppy wrote:
szczerb wrote:
Interesting. Here, subsidized phones are sold unlocked - for a few years now.

The carrier shouldn't care since anyway you've got to pay throughout the whole 2 years, or whatever the length or the plan.

It's the pre-paid industry that would benefit most from this since people buy a cheap phone and then want to swap to a cheaper pay as you go provider. The carriers here charge a fee to unlock the phone before a certain period, or before a certain amount of recharge is paid. But unlocking the phone would negate that, is it the same Stateside?


But you are still bound to pay the subsidized plan all the way throu. So why would they care? It's even better for them if you're not using their infrastructure and paying for it?

No plan for pre-paid. That's why it's called pre-paid. Because it's pre-paid.
So you can buy subsidized phones in prepaid plans with no obligations?!

No, taxes do not get used to pay for mobile phones in Australia, people have to pay for them out of their wages/salary.

If you mean the cost is partly absorbed by the cost of a plan, then that's not a pre-paid phone. A pre-paid is like a "burner" phone.

Unless you mean employer provided phones?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't it wonderful how the telcos in the USA managed to sell an expensive credit for a smart phone as a subsidized phone deal to the average US American customer?
More LOL USA tags needed.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've got issues. :?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sikpuppy wrote:
szczerb wrote:
sikpuppy wrote:
szczerb wrote:
sikpuppy wrote:
szczerb wrote:
Interesting. Here, subsidized phones are sold unlocked - for a few years now.

The carrier shouldn't care since anyway you've got to pay throughout the whole 2 years, or whatever the length or the plan.

It's the pre-paid industry that would benefit most from this since people buy a cheap phone and then want to swap to a cheaper pay as you go provider. The carriers here charge a fee to unlock the phone before a certain period, or before a certain amount of recharge is paid. But unlocking the phone would negate that, is it the same Stateside?


But you are still bound to pay the subsidized plan all the way throu. So why would they care? It's even better for them if you're not using their infrastructure and paying for it?

No plan for pre-paid. That's why it's called pre-paid. Because it's pre-paid.
So you can buy subsidized phones in prepaid plans with no obligations?!

No, taxes do not get used to pay for mobile phones in Australia, people have to pay for them out of their wages/salary.

If you mean the cost is partly absorbed by the cost of a plan, then that's not a pre-paid phone. A pre-paid is like a "burner" phone.

Unless you mean employer provided phones?
Then you should revisit your resposnse starting with "No plan for pre-paid. " ;)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then you should revisit your resposnse starting with "No plan for pre-paid. " ;)

There isn't a plan. If you think there is then I will agree to disagree since it's not a hard concept to prove since it's self-evident.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It screws up the Big Brother monitoring system if you take a phone from one carrier and use it with another. Something about middleware and message queuing protocols.
I'm assuming you were being funny, but it is carrier agnostic: CALEA. (I'd blame Clinton, but he just happened to be in office when it passed).
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