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LoTeK
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definition of a contradiction:
| Quote: | | Shooting animals should be allowed but not shooting people. |
| Quote: | | Violent, angry or fearful people should not set the terms of our peaceful lives. |
  
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pjp
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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| juniper wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | pjp wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | are you really comparing yourself to the president? |
Are you really claiming only presidents (or politicians) can be a target? |
statistically, yes. |
False. |
What i meant is that the president is an obvious assassination target. But, I am not against people who feel they are targets from owning a rifle (after suitable checks). |
We have suitable checks. The current mania involves discussion of legislation which would have had no impact on recent shootings. That is how we can identify it as an irrational abridgement of civil liberties.
The recent law passed in NY limits magazines to 7 or fewer (I forget if it was inclusive of 7) bullets, which effectively eliminates most weapons. That number was not chosen for the law by happy accident. Knowing that this will have almost zero impact on future crimes, what then must be the goal? Abridgement of civil liberties.
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mcgruff
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| pjp wrote: | | The current mania involves discussion of legislation which would have had no impact on recent shootings. That is how we can identify it as an irrational abridgement of civil liberties. |
You don't think assault rifles are used in mass shootings...?!
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tylerwylie
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| mcgruff wrote: | | pjp wrote: | | The current mania involves discussion of legislation which would have had no impact on recent shootings. That is how we can identify it as an irrational abridgement of civil liberties. |
You don't think assault rifles are used in mass shootings...?! |
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Callow, inappurtenant, flagrant strawman is callow, inappurtenant and flagrant. 
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pjp
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| Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:49 am Post subject: |
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| mcgruff wrote: | | pjp wrote: | | The current mania involves discussion of legislation which would have had no impact on recent shootings. That is how we can identify it as an irrational abridgement of civil liberties. |
You don't think assault rifles are used in mass shootings...?! |
I didn't say that. Thanks for demonstrating my point.
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BoneKracker
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mcgruff is hereby demoted from Captain Strawman to Sergeant Strawman.
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NotQuiteSane
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| mcgruff wrote: | What is taxation? Depends where you live exactly but things like: health care, defence spending, roads, bridges, schools, the rule of law, public parks, etc etc
Who needs that shit |
It's not a question of who needs it. it's a question of who should pay for it. An AnCap or a libertarian will pay for something he needs or wants, and if it happens to be used by another person, he has three options: the user voluntarily pay, the owner use tort to force payment, or the owner deciding public use does no harm.
If I put up a streetlight, does it hurt me if my neighbor benefits?
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NotQuiteSane
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| mcgruff wrote: | | NotQuiteSane wrote: | | Do you seriously believe that only firearms are capable of lethal force? |
Do I have to? |
you appear to.
| mcgruff wrote: | | People think if they have a gun they will be able to control a violent situation whereas, in fact, all they've really done is escalate whatever violent situations they will encounter to include a real possibility of lethal force. |
No, most people I know who carry think that they will survive a violent encounter, but activly strive to avoid any,
| mcgruff wrote: | | Violent, angry or fearful people should not set the terms of our peaceful lives. |
I agree. However those people continue to be elected world wide
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tylerwylie
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| NotQuiteSane wrote: | | mcgruff wrote: | | NotQuiteSane wrote: | | Do you seriously believe that only firearms are capable of lethal force? |
Do I have to? |
you appear to.
| mcgruff wrote: | | People think if they have a gun they will be able to control a violent situation whereas, in fact, all they've really done is escalate whatever violent situations they will encounter to include a real possibility of lethal force. |
No, most people I know who carry think that they will survive a violent encounter, but activly strive to avoid any,
| mcgruff wrote: | | Violent, angry or fearful people should not set the terms of our peaceful lives. |
I agree. However those people continue to be elected world wide
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You are trying to reason with that which cannot be reasoned with. I wish you the best of luck in your future endeavors.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | mcgruff is hereby demoted from Captain Strawman to Sergeant Strawman. |
Whoa whoa whoa...you're going to take his commission just like that? And if you go this far, why not knock him all the way down to Specialist? |
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BoneKracker
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Private Strawman?
Cub Scout Strawman?
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