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 Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 3:20 am Post subject: Why the Moon Landings Could Have Never EVER Been Faked |
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Why the Moon Landings Could Have Never EVER Been Faked: The Definitive Proof
| Quote: | This video is so good, so incredibly brilliant, solid and simple, that you will want to paste it all over your Facebooks and Twitters just to piss off all the IMBECILES who still claim that the Moon landings were faked.* The reason is simple: the technology to fake it didn't exist.
It's a very simple argument. It's not about showing how ignorant the hoaxers demonstrate to be with their idiotic "proofs", which actually show they don't know anything about physics, photography or even perspective. Or the fact that simple there's tons of physical proof that we were there. Or the fact that the Soviet Union was monitoring it too and accepted the American victory in the Space Race.
No, it's something even more obvious. This video explains why there was absolutely no way to fake it at the time. Even the cameras needed to fake it didn't exist back then.
It's completely convincing and undeniable argument and worth watching from beginning to end. I enjoyed it so much that I was giggling at some points. Especially one of them: we have gone from a world in which we couldn't possibly fake a landing on the Moon but we went there for real to a world in which we are no longer going to the Moon but we can easily fake it.
OH. YOU. IRONY. [Thanks Karl!]
* The idiots exist, yes. About 6 percent of the people in the United States, in fact. A percentage that defies belief. |
The Indians being able to see the moon landing site from their probe should have already put this to rest, but there are still idiots who believe the conspiracy. This is quite possibly the best argument I've ever heard/seen against the conspiracy.
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This is fantastic. Thankyou for sharing. I will be sharing it. 
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Proving the moonlanding actually happened (and more than once) is futile to people who still doubt it. It's as futile as trying to prove evolution vs creationism while touring a coalmine wearing synthetic fibres and examining a fossil of a dinosaur head. |
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I don't believe there are actually people who think the Moon landings were faked. I think it's a conspiracy to create a "we versus they" mentality and assemble a lemming herd who can then be fed some other bullshit.
I mean, seriously, how many people can there actually be out there who think this?
It's basic con man tactics. Con stands for "confidence". First you gain their confidence, and the more you gain their confidence, the more vulnerable they make themselves. The herd mentality is a basic con man tactic too. You put your own players in, who engage in the behavior you want, and the mark tends to go along.
So here we end up with a whole lot of people standing around ridiculing "those idiots" who don't believe what the government told us.
A con man would follow (or precede) this with another confidence-building event. Maybe telling us all about all the idiots that are supposedly out there who don't believe in evolution. (How many can there really be? As many as the surveys we see suggest? Half the people in England? I find it hard to believe.)
The question then becomes, what is, or was, the sting?
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I've always said the Soviets would have crowed loudly if the telemetry was not coming from the Moon's surface.
"Without that, you are just another Homo."
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BK, were you writing something about the moon landing?
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I don't know what you mean.
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I don't know what you mean, either.
Did you have special brownies? Visual aid: http://youtu.be/AdhSChKX2zI
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Related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6MOnehCOUw
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I understand perfectly well what BK said. Intriguing.
Personally, I do believe that the truth is out there... er... that there are a lot of people who still don't believe that the Americans went to the moon and back. But I'm rather a pessimist when it comes to humans.
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Okay, I'll chalk it up to language barrier.
Let me more clearly articulate a key point, then I'll let you go back and re-read my post with that illumination. Read this very slowly, because the reasoning is rather tortuous:
I was claiming that the real conspiracy here was not a conspiracy to fake the Moon landing; the real conspiracy was to fool most Americans into believing there are hordes of idiots out there who stupidly disbelieve the government when it tells them we landed on the Moon (the conspiracy thereby guiding vast numbers of Americans into the habit of mocking people who disbelieve the Government, calling them silly conspiracy theorists, and becoming credulous saps who believe anything the Government tells them, particularly if it can be somehow couched as "science").
I say this half tongue in cheek, and half seriously. Just consider the fact the very phrase "conspiracy theory" has come to connote "absurd, paranoid delusion". Our thinking has been shaped to habitually reject conspiracy theories as the raving of paranoid lunatics, when the reality is that conspiracies are a routine fact of life, and our secretive governments engage in them all the time.
I was only humorously suggesting, however, that the "Faked Moon Landing" conspiracy theory itself, in particular, actually originated as a Government plot to discredit conspiracy theories in general, but I do believe our thinking has been intentionally shaped in this regard and as a result, many (perhaps most) people habitually reject almost all conspiracy theories out of hand, to the great benefit of authoritarian state apparatchiks everywhere.
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++ @ BK.
An interesting scab, have picked you [/yoda]
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | I don't believe there are actually people who think the Moon landings were faked. I think it's a conspiracy to create a "we versus they" mentality and assemble a lemming herd who can then be fed some other bullshit. |
I dunno, my father told me that when they were watching it on news back then (probably was all over the news), his mother couldn't believe it. It took her long while to digest the fact that people send someone on the moon. She was religious woman, her way of interpreting reality was to map it out according to The Book. There is a lot of mental inertia and ego defence when having to remap and rethink all that you know. |
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I remember my great-grandmother denying it too, and evolution as well, but she was born in 1890 and had no formal education beyond the 8th grade.
She did, however, have the sense to put a penny or nickle in a jar every day, and to buy IBM stock with it very early on, and to hold on to it her entire life.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | She did, however, have the sense to put a penny or nickle in a jar every day, and to buy IBM stock with it very early on, and to hold on to it her entire life. |
True. |
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The real question is why this disinformation NOW? Someone must be on to something. It is laughable to suggest Joe Shmoe knows what highly classified technology existed at the time.
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| Old School wrote: | | It's not the hand you are focused on that gets you. |
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Also, the technology to fake the landing was out of reach, but landing on the moon wasn't? LOL
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| pjp wrote: | | Also, the technology to fake the landing was out of reach, but landing on the moon wasn't? LOL |
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| 2001 was made for $10million and that movie's effects were and are fairly realistic. Add in scuzzy TV pictures and the moon landings could well have been faked. The fact is they weren't, because the pictures of the surface would have been a damn sight more exciting. Basically, apart from the thrill of doing something "because we could", the moon was a boring, dusty, airless rock. |
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I think the moon was found to be in the sky a little earlier than 1969 
You guys missed out on the sun however. Bloody Spaniards, always conquering new worlds (and stars). |
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| sikpuppy wrote: | I think the moon was found to be in the sky a little earlier than 1969
You guys missed out on the sun however. Bloody Spaniards, always conquering new worlds (and stars). |
pfft, Yukio Hatoyama ate the Sun.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | I don't believe there are actually people who think the Moon landings were faked. I think it's a conspiracy to create a "we versus they" mentality and assemble a lemming herd who can then be fed some other bullshit. |
Growing up, I met a surprising number of people who passionately felt that the moon landings were faked. The region was predominately mormon, and I always chalked it up to some fringe weirdness associated with their religion. It was, by no means, a widely held belief, but there seemed to be a specific subset of folks that had totally bought into the conspiracy. With that said, the 6% figure seems high to me, even in this one specific rural region of the country where the conspiracy had some traction.
I also know my experience growing up is absolutely not representative of the rest of the country. I had a really weird childhood. My first schoolyard fistfight was because I showed some kid the famous picture of man's evolution from a World Book encyclopedia during library time in first grade. The concept made sense to me as a kid and I thought it was kind of neat. He immediately berated me for my ignorance and informed me that I was going to hell. By recess the argument had escalated to fisticuffs. I also almost got in a fight (lunch lady broke it up when it started getting physical) over whether the world was ending in the year 2000. Even as a second-grader, I was spiteful enough to tell him I'd call him on January 2, 2000. I see his name pop up on facebook once in a while. I'm always tempted to remind him that I was right.
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