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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:36 am    Post subject: Secret Conspiracy at Microsoft Reply with quote

I've figured out the secret conspiracy at Microsoft: Make people like Windows 7.

I know about this because I installed Windows 8 on my machine recently. And I have to say, it's a life-changing event. And by that, I mean that I want to kill myself. This is, by far, the worst piece of garbage.

1. Running a browser as a Metro app and placing it in the background causes all I/O to be suspended (audio, sockets, etc...).
2. Moving the mouse to a corner brings up a thumbnail, but moving the mouse so much as one pixel to click it makes it disappear.
3. Experienced multiple failures while installing apps from the Windows store (or whatever); might be IPv6 problems on their end.

I can't believe I gave up a perfectly good Windows 7 install for this. I should be publicly embarrassed for doing this. I should be spat upon by a large group and then taken out back and stoned to death with bricks.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree, but you don't have to use the Metro interface. However, if you don't you negate any reason to use Windows 8 I suppose.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're probably the only person in the whole world, who has willfully installed Windows 8.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You're probably the only person in the whole world, who has willfully installed Windows 8.

Well, it's $60 here to upgrade from XP, as opposed to $150 to upgrade to Windows 7. If the Metro interface is switched off the experience is much the same as Windows 7.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I dunno, 10 years ago, I thought we'd have at least 3 good OS platforms to chose from, since competition would surely force them to invent and produce good quality.

I'm hanging on win7 and linux mint for now, by the time I'm forced to change I hope to get out of IT alltogether.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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notageek wrote:
You're probably the only person in the whole world, who has willfully installed Windows 8.

Well, it's $60 here to upgrade from XP, as opposed to $150 to upgrade to Windows 7. If the Metro interface is switched off the experience is much the same as Windows 7.


If I had to choose between Windows 8 for free or Windows 7 for $90, I'd shell out the $90.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't use it but my brother is using it with an addon that give back the old start menu, I think it is vistart, basically it's windows 8 but looks 100% like windows 7
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

erm67 wrote:
I don't use it but my brother is using it with an addon that give back the old start menu, I think it is vistart, basically it's windows 8 but looks 100% like windows 7

Windows Classic style + Classic shell is the best choice.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Secret Conspiracy at Microsoft Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
I've figured out the secret conspiracy at Microsoft: Make people like Windows 7.

I know about this because I installed Windows 8 on my machine recently. And I have to say, it's a life-changing event. And by that, I mean that I want to kill myself. This is, by far, the worst piece of garbage.

At this point I agree with you. I might go so far as to say that they are deliberately trying to repeat the XP -> vista -> 7 cycle. XP was good, vista was almost a total disaster, and MS swooped in and saved the day ( so to speak ) with Windows7 which is a very good OS ( imo ).

so windows8 sucks so bad, b/c MS wants to be able to White Knight that shit with Windows9 :lol:

i got my dad a new laptop for christmas and it was preinstalled with window8.

at first i was like "this is ok" then "this is ok... but it needs a touchscreen or its frustrating". it took my dad two weeks to throw his hands up with it.

it was like a breathe of fresh air when i dumped that shit and installed windows7 ( worth the license cost to get rid of 8 ). the laptop *instantly* felt better to use, amazing... I think MS really messed up with 8. its not the pieces per say that are the problem but the whole just is frustrating.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Always remember that every other windows OS is complete and utter crap.

Windows 3.1 okay
Windows 95 crap
Windows 98 okay
Windows ME utter crap
Windows XP okay
Windows Vista crap
Windows 7 okay
windows 8 crap
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
Always remember that every other windows OS is complete and utter crap.

Windows 3.1 okay
Windows 95 crap
Windows NT 4 competent
Windows 98 okay
Windows 2000 damn good
Windows ME utter crap
Windows XP okay
Windows Vista crap
Windows 7 okay
windows 8 crap

Everyone misses those two.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know about NT4, but Win2k was the only Windows I'd've spent money on.
The only Windows I did spend money on, however, was 3.11. And that was my parents' money,
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aidanjt wrote:
Old School wrote:
Always remember that every other windows OS is complete and utter crap.

Windows 3.1 okay
Windows 95 crap
Windows NT 4 competent
Windows 98 okay
Windows 2000 damn good
Windows ME utter crap
Windows XP okay
Windows Vista crap
Windows 7 okay
windows 8 crap

Everyone misses those two.


i prefer 7 over 2000 all day. but at the time ( through XP's early years ) yeah 2k was the bees-knees.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old School wrote:
Always remember that every other windows OS is complete and utter crap.

Windows 3.1 okay
Windows 95 crap
Windows 98 okay
Windows ME utter crap
Windows XP okay
Windows Vista crap
Windows 7 okay
windows 8 crap


lets see - you are mixing NT and dos based windows. Which is.... bad.

Win 3.1 was crap
Win 3.11 was crap
Win 95A was crap
Win 95b was ok - for Windows
Win 95c was ok - for Windows
Win 95D was best windows so far
Win 98 was utter crap
Win 98SE was less craptastic
Win ME was a crime against humanity - and Ballmer still runs around freely.
The 'original' windows line ended here.

Windows NT 3.5 was shittastic
Windows NT 4 was bearable
Windows NT 5... I mean 2000... was almost ok
Windows XP was... well... not as bad as NT4
Windows 2003 see XP
Windows Vista... oh boy...
Windows 7 best NT based Windows so far
Windows 8... oh boy SE
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Windows NT 3.5 was shittastic
Windows NT 4 was bearable


NT 3.51 was actually stable, as it was, but it was pain in the ass to use and manage hardware with. You had bazillion of floppys with drivers around.

NT 4 was the one that loaded graphic driver into kernel if I remember correctly, so if the driver crashed, you'd get BSOD, which was new compared to 3.51
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

energyman76b wrote:
Old School wrote:
Always remember that every other windows OS is complete and utter crap.

Windows 3.1 okay
Windows 95 crap
Windows 98 okay
Windows ME utter crap
Windows XP okay
Windows Vista crap
Windows 7 okay
windows 8 crap


lets see - you are mixing NT and dos based windows. Which is.... bad.

Win 3.1 was crap
Win 3.11 was crap
Win 95A was crap
Win 95b was ok - for Windows
Win 95c was ok - for Windows
Win 95D was best windows so far
Win 98 was utter crap
Win 98SE was less craptastic
Win ME was a crime against humanity - and Ballmer still runs around freely.
The 'original' windows line ended here.

Windows NT 3.5 was shittastic
Windows NT 4 was bearable
Windows NT 5... I mean 2000... was almost ok
Windows XP was... well... not as bad as NT4
Windows 2003 see XP
Windows Vista... oh boy...
Windows 7 best NT based Windows so far
Windows 8... oh boy SE

You all left out Windows 2008 (server). I only mention it since you included 2003 server. 2008 server is pretty much Windows 7 with the classic interface. Other than the new task scheduler sucking donkey balls, and all the options being moved around in IIS, it's not too bad. Of course, that's at work. I haven't booted in to Windows (7) on this machine since last March. (to file my taxes)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Secret Conspiracy at Microsoft Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
I've figured out the secret conspiracy at Microsoft: Make people like Windows 7.
People pulled a JarJar on Vista, which led to 7 (which is apparently almost exactly Vista with some minor tweaks). My experience hasn't shown Vista as meaningfully different than XP. I disabled all the eye-candy crap, and it was fine. My only problem turned out to be hardware (some Intel POS "Turbo Drive" or some such BS).

I'm glad to hear the metro interface can be disabled in favor of something more like 7. I never got around to installing 7, though I did interact with it briefly.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cord wrote:
erm67 wrote:
I don't use it but my brother is using it with an addon that give back the old start menu, I think it is vistart, basically it's windows 8 but looks 100% like windows 7

Windows Classic style + Classic shell is the best choice.

This is great. Windows is going to be saved by open source add-ons. :lol: :lol:
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yabbadabbadont wrote:
energyman76b wrote:
Old School wrote:
Always remember that every other windows OS is complete and utter crap.

Windows 3.1 okay
Windows 95 crap
Windows 98 okay
Windows ME utter crap
Windows XP okay
Windows Vista crap
Windows 7 okay
windows 8 crap


lets see - you are mixing NT and dos based windows. Which is.... bad.

Win 3.1 was crap
Win 3.11 was crap
Win 95A was crap
Win 95b was ok - for Windows
Win 95c was ok - for Windows
Win 95D was best windows so far
Win 98 was utter crap
Win 98SE was less craptastic
Win ME was a crime against humanity - and Ballmer still runs around freely.
The 'original' windows line ended here.

Windows NT 3.5 was shittastic
Windows NT 4 was bearable
Windows NT 5... I mean 2000... was almost ok
Windows XP was... well... not as bad as NT4
Windows 2003 see XP
Windows Vista... oh boy...
Windows 7 best NT based Windows so far
Windows 8... oh boy SE

You all left out Windows 2008 (server). I only mention it since you included 2003 server. 2008 server is pretty much Windows 7 with the classic interface. Other than the new task scheduler sucking donkey balls, and all the options being moved around in IIS, it's not too bad. Of course, that's at work. I haven't booted in to Windows (7) on this machine since last March. (to file my taxes)

He also left out Windows 1 and 2, which were approximately like using unconfigured twm on bare X10, if there were not yet any applications created for X Windows. It was inferior to Quarterdeck's DesqView, and they also had an extended memory management utility lacking in DOS.

Also left out Windows 3.0, which was mostly notable in that it was a rip-off, because it was a bug-ridden version of Window 3.1 and they charged a lot of money, not much later, for 3.1. Other than fixing a shitload of bugs, I think all 3.1 offered was the ability to use the latest DOS (which, as I recall, copied the extended memory management capability of Quarterdeck. So even back then, they were ass-fucking users with planned obsolescence. Similarly, Windows 95 and NT were a rip-off of IBM's OS/2.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Windows 2000 was incredible for its time.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
Windows 2000 was incredible for its time.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 3:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Microsoft offering had been better?
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I left out 2008 because I never used it nor was I ever forced to play helpdesk for someone who used it.

Windows 1&2 were not windows. They weren't even operating systems. Or dos extenders. They were just hippo manure. Flying hippo manure.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I left out 2008 because I never used it nor was I ever forced to play helpdesk for someone who used it.

Windows 1&2 were not windows. They weren't even operating systems. Or dos extenders. They were just hippo manure. Flying hippo manure.

Neither were any of other versions of Windows that ran on DOS, right up through Windows 98. They were just crap that ran on top of DOS, kind of like how KDE runs on top of GNU/Linux, and similarly detracts from it.
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wswartzendruber wrote:
What Microsoft offering had been better?

I was referring more to the "for it's time" part. Given the timeline for the development of OS/2 and NT, Microsoft should have had Windows 2000 on the market in 1995, instead of "Windows 95".

But they like to slowly milk that cash cow over time, using planned obsolescence. That's the benefit of being in a monopoly-like position.

Look what's happening to them now, though, now that sheep-like consumers have begun to wander away from the Microsoft herd because they are gaining confidence in other brands, after using devices such as iPods and Linux-based tablets and phones.
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