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 Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:39 pm Post subject: when 4k pc monitors? |
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hi,
4k tv monitors get mainstream starting now. but what about for PC monitors? I want one!!
Will this not be a headache for pixel tweaking icons resolutions and keep things proportional on the screens??
And when it comes to gaming? Will 4k textures be brutal on memory??
Any links discussing implications of 4k resolution in gaming?
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| Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: when 4k pc monitors? |
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4k tv monitors get mainstream starting now. but what about for PC monitors? I want one!!
Order one then.
Will this not be a headache for pixel tweaking icons resolutions and keep things proportional on the screens??
That sentence is fairly headache inducing.
And when it comes to gaming? Will 4k textures be brutal on memory??
Depends what you mean by 4k, texture and brutal.
Any links discussing implications of 4k resolution in gaming?
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there are no problems with icons on KDE desktops.
Gnome? Who knows. But if there is a problem you can be sure that the option to remedy it will be removed soon.
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Hitler was a true patriot.
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| notageek wrote: | | Hitler was a true patriot. |
Godwin's law. |
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I think I found a new law. Whenever "Hitler" or "Nazi" is mentioned in a discussion on the internet, someone will invoke Godwin.
Granted, in this case it's fitting.
As long as the pixels are vector graphics (and Gnome indeed can use them, depends on the theme, though. If there are only pixel graphics that's all you get.)
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4k "ultra high def" displays are *NOT* mainstream. we went from what... a couple proof of concepts over the last couple of years to a bunch of manufacturers having "publicly available models" that are some where in the $10k-15k ( USian dolla dolla bils ) just being announced at CES.....
thats not mainstream, thats like the cusp of early adopter territory. at best. |
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| Clad in Sky wrote: | | I think I found a new law. Whenever "Hitler" or "Nazi" is mentioned in a discussion on the internet, someone will invoke Godwin. |
Hitler Nazis.
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Are we playing word association? Cool bananas. |
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Alpine coconuts.
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| sikpuppy wrote: |
Are we playing word association? Cool bananas. |
No. Those trolling forums for the opportunity to post "Godwin" are Hitler Nazis.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 2:55 am Post subject: |
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| pjp wrote: | | No. Those trolling forums for the opportunity to post "Godwin" are Hitler Nazis. |
As opposed to meme spouting regular trolls? |
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You can get old refurbished IBM 221's for (relatively) not too much money. 3840x2400. Had one for a while now. Best money I ever spent.
Can't stop gushing about its benefits. For one, all these forced-fixed-size layout websites that expect to be viewed at no less than 1280 across, now looks reasonable alongside a IDE window and a handful of xterms. Can read specs while coding and it's all right there in front of me, no clicking to hide/unhide things. And at ~22" diagonal, it does so without taking up a whole bunch of desk space.
The icon size can be an issue, depending how you like your icons. I actually like the smaller look - I got a hi-res monitor to actually see more stuff, not just to have the same layout only look smoother.
Another problem area, is UI boxes (especially text fields) assume a general size of what the text will be. So with strict dpi scaling of fonts on a fixed-pixel layout UI, what was a 10-pixel high glyph is now a 20-pixel high glyph and there often isn't room for it in the UI. Similar problem with some websites that use a fixed-pixel-size layout with text fields.
A compromise solution that works very well (at least for me), is to put half the resolution benefit into smoother fonts, and half into getting more stuff on screen. So when going from a regular 100dpi monitor to this 200dpi monitor, I "lie" to X and tell it is it a 140 dpi monitor. That's roughly the geometric average of 100 and 200. So fonts and scalable elements become 40% clearer from using more pixels. And there's also ~40% more stuff on the screen from having more pixels.
And then there's how glorious pictures from my camera looks, displayed at nearly 1:1 resolution.
And there's things like Chinese glyphs, which now look perfectly legible even at normal 8..10-point fontsizes. You haven't seen the glory of unicode till you've seen the various glyphs on a good hi-res monitor.
But in a way, I fear this 4k-res thing becoming too popular. When it does, we'll see yet another round of embiggening of icons and enwidening of websites. And we'll be back to the same wasted screen realestate that we see today, albeit looking much nicer from the now nearly-invisible pixels (as long as they don't also try to do this at 80" (which no doubt they will), then the pixels become visible again). And I'll be out hoping for a 8K monitor. |
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From http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/445740/sharp_announces_32-inch_4k_monitors/
| Quote: | | The high-end Quattron 8-series 3D LED TVs will be priced between US$2,999.99 for a 60-inch class TV and $6,499.99 for a 80-inch class TV. The Aquos 7-Series 3D TVs are priced at up to $5,999.99, while the 6-Series TVs are priced at up to $4,999.99. The TVs will become available starting in February. |
Not an 80 inch monitor per se, but still.
The first lot of UltraHD (which is what Sharp is calling it's range of 4k monitors) monitors will be touch enabled it seems. Prepare for sales of 3 metre styluses (stylii?). |
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| sikpuppy wrote: | | Prepare for sales of 3 metre styluses (stylii?). |
Styli. There are only ever two "i" at the end, if the nominative of the word also had an "i" in front of the "us". So, if you had two Ciceros, they'd be the Marci Tullii Cicerones. Or two circles would have two radii.
There is no known plural of virus, but if there were, it wouldn't be viri, much less virii, but vira.
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| Clad in Sky wrote: | | sikpuppy wrote: | | Prepare for sales of 3 metre styluses (stylii?). |
Styli. There are only ever two "i" at the end, if the nominative of the word also had an "i" in front of the "us". So, if you had two Ciceros, they'd be the Marci Tullii Cicerones. Or two circles would have two radii.
There is no known plural of virus, but if there were, it wouldn't be viri, much less virii, but vira. |
I think both are correct, it would be arguable just which one is the most correct. Viruses is the plural of virus.
Viri means "man" in Latin I think.
*edit* Clarity. |
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| sikpuppy wrote: |
I think both are correct, it would be arguable just which one is the most correct. Viruses is the plural of virus.
Viri means "man" in Latin I think.
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Which both? Styli and styilii. If so, then no, only styli is correct.
While "viruses" is what we (or you English speakers) use as a plural for virus, it is not the plural of the Latin word virus.
Viri does indeed mean man, or rather men.
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| Clad in Sky wrote: | | sikpuppy wrote: |
I think both are correct, it would be arguable just which one is the most correct. Viruses is the plural of virus.
Viri means "man" in Latin I think.
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Which both? Styli and styilii. If so, then no, only styli is correct.
While "viruses" is what we (or you English speakers) use as a plural for virus, it is not the plural of the Latin word virus.
Viri does indeed mean man, or rather men. |
Styluses can be used as well. Because, basically, I speak 21st century English and not a dead language  |
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Yes, you can.
In the post before my initial answer you were unsure about styli and stylii, so I thought you meant that.
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| Clad in Sky wrote: | | sikpuppy wrote: | | Prepare for sales of 3 metre styluses (stylii?). |
Styli. There are only ever two "i" at the end, if the nominative of the word also had an "i" in front of the "us". So, if you had two Ciceros, they'd be the Marci Tullii Cicerones. Or two circles would have two radii.
There is no known plural of virus, but if there were, it wouldn't be viri, much less virii, but vira. |
Informative, thank you.
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You're welcome.
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| Clad in Sky wrote: | | There is no known plural of virus |
Which is why any chosen plural would be arbitrary, and my vote is for virii, though I'd not object to vira. So use virii or vira, get it into the zeitgeist and force recognition!
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