NRA to the rescue!

ichbinsisyphos · Guru Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 547

Was this really not posted yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glwggRUAQBk

sikpuppy · Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2012 3:17 am Post subject:

Do they blame Gangsta Rap too? I listen to that and it makes me want to bust a cap into a Radio DJ. Fo' Sho' nigger.

BoneKracker · Veteran Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1480 Location: U.S.A.

dupe

And they're right, although they forgot 'the dissolution of the family unit' and 'poor parenting'.
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sikpuppy · Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:40 am Post subject:

They can have my shoebombs when they take them from my cold dead feet. They can have my pantsbombs when they pull them from my cold dead genitals.

BoneKracker · Veteran Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1480 Location: U.S.A.

Things that explode are not a problem unless somebody uses them to violate somebody else's rights.

The problem is violence and people's propensity to commit it, not which tool they choose. If we follow this logic, we put everybody in padded cells so nobody can hurt anybody. The answer is removing the reasons why some people want to lash out at society. Trying to solve such problems by taking all the sharp objects is paternalistic nonsense and denial.
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BoneKracker · Veteran Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1480 Location: U.S.A.

Denial. It may be part of whatever your cherry-picked "equation" is (e.g. focusing in on homicide only and ignoring all the other horrific violence), but it's still neither the cause nor an effective solution, and it violates rights.
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Mardok45 · Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:42 pm Post subject:

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Mardok45 · Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:13 pm Post subject:

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nra's lapierre gets pummelled in interview

Mardok45 · Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:03 pm Post subject:

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sikpuppy · Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:20 pm Post subject:

I think if a lot of people start using guns produced by 3D printers then I would suggest buying shares in prosthetic hand manufacturers. And that's just for the handguns, using a rifle would probably have someone's eye out with splinters of polyprop flying hither and thither.

mcgruff · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Posts: 137

In the 50's the civil rights movement looked like an impossible dream. Racist ideas were thoroughly normalized and deeply embedded in society. Some of these people didn't even think they were doing anything wrong but, whether they knew it or not, they were all thoroughly toxic people with toxic ideas which carried a great human cost.

Just as the civil rights movement was the great challenge facing American society in the 50's and 60's, guns are the great challenge facing American society today. The parallels are striking. Widespread gun ownership is equally harmful and gun myths are just as deeply embedded as racism was. These beliefs are often held by people who not only insist they aren't doing anything wrong but that their toxic ideas are positively patriotic.

There was a time when civil rights seemed impossible too - but look what happened.
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wswartzendruber · Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 6:58 pm Post subject:

The Founding Fathers state in the Federalist Papers that one purpose of the Second Amendment is to keep the citizens armed enough for the government to be kept in check.

BoneKracker · Veteran Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1480 Location: U.S.A.

@mcgruff

:facepalm:

Fallacy upon fallacy upon fallacy. The right to bear arms is itself a civil right, and a critical one. Your head has been been twisted completely upside down on this. :lol:

The problem is not firearms; we have always had them. Something is going wrong with culture, and it's not just in the United States.
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Prenj · n00b Joined: 20 Nov 2011 Posts: 7 Location: Mostar, BiH

I just fucking shot myself!

Year after!

:lol:

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wswartzendruber · Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 9:26 pm Post subject:

Not very well. Things didn't turn out as they intended. But I'd prefer to hold as much to the Constitution as I possibly can.

mcgruff · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Posts: 137

They say that generals always try to fight the previous war because they fail to realise how the dynamics of conflict have changed. A need for the citizenry to bear arms might have made sense in a revolution but became redundant when the war was won. The second amendment was an anachronism even before the ink had time to dry.

Instead of fetishising the institutions of a primitive society in the age of sailing ships and armoured codpieces, you might want to recalibrate your beliefs to our sophisticated, modern world and target some of the real threats to democracy such as campaign financing.
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wswartzendruber · Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:46 pm Post subject:

Ahhhhhhh... There's that word again. "Sophisticated." I can't tell you blissful lefties get whenever they throw that word out. Just by doing so, they sound...sophisticated.

Well, over-sophistication tends to cause failure. So I prefer to not be sophisticated. I like keeping things simple. And speaking of simple, here are a few points:

1. I have guns.
2. They are about to be extremely secured (currently at an undisclosed location pending execution of a gun safe).
3. Leave me alone.
4. I will leave you alone.
5. If you try to confiscate my weapons, I will fucking kill you.

mcgruff · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Posts: 137

I'm sure, if you try, you can think of one or two ways in which modern societies are more sophisticated than that of the American colonies.

You'd better be perfectly clear that "cold dead hands" isn't the devastating threat you think it is. If that's what it takes to make communities safe, so be it. 1,000 recalcitrant, dead gun owners are not worth one murdered child.

What libertarians like to call "persecution" normal people call "civilisation".
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