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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:02 pm    Post subject: voting at sixteen years old Reply with quote

Do you think you were mature enough to vote when you were sixteen years old?

Ref: Scottish referendum.

For myself no and also no interest in politics at that age.
Some may argue that if one is old enough to kill (military service) and old enough to tax, then one should be old enough to vote.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was immature enough.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm 23 and I'm still not mature enough.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:46 pm    Post subject: Re: voting at sixteen years old Reply with quote

billium wrote:
Ref: Scottish referendum.


No, they're just trying to garner enough foot soldiery.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmitchell wrote:
I was immature enough.


Went through a phase of not bothering meself, for a good stretch too, a couple of generals
and several locals in between.

Vote fringe now.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It doesn't matter how immature you are. Even if you want to vote for Mr Blobby, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to. It would probably be a better vote than the mainstream majority. And like you said, if you're old enough to pay taxes and shoot at brown people, you're old enough to vote.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

16 year olds are childs.

Fornicating, drunken, stupid childs.

The last person being allowed to vote should be a 16 year old. They are all fucking idiots.

In fact, I think the age should be raised to 30. 30 year olds who served their countries (males) or have at least 2 childs (women). Everybody else: shut up you lazy fucks.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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16 year olds are childs.

Fornicating, drunken, stupid childs.

The last person being allowed to vote should be a 16 year old. They are all fucking idiots.

In fact, I think the age should be raised to 30. 30 year olds who served their countries (males) or have at least 2 childs (women). Everybody else: shut up you lazy fucks.

And yet it's matured adults and old people who elect the likes of the CDU and other neo-liberal parasites. So much for wisdom and good judgement with age.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aidanjt wrote:
energyman76b wrote:
16 year olds are childs.

Fornicating, drunken, stupid childs.

The last person being allowed to vote should be a 16 year old. They are all fucking idiots.

In fact, I think the age should be raised to 30. 30 year olds who served their countries (males) or have at least 2 childs (women). Everybody else: shut up you lazy fucks.

And yet it's matured adults and old people who elect the likes of the CDU and other neo-liberal parasites. So much for wisdom and good judgement with age.


There is no account for stupidity. But filtering out lazy, stupid, self centered fucks will certainly help.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is no account for stupidity. But filtering out lazy, stupid, self centered fucks will certainly help.

Except if we're going by voting behaviour, clearly the 'lazy, stupid, self-centered fucks' are the matured adults and old people.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aidanjt wrote:
energyman76b wrote:
There is no account for stupidity. But filtering out lazy, stupid, self centered fucks will certainly help.

Except if we're going by voting behaviour, clearly the 'lazy, stupid, self-centered fucks' are the matured adults and old people.


until you realize that the party those young idiots vote for is not better at all.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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until you realize that the party those young idiots vote for is not better at all.

Then they couldn't do much worse. Ergo, no harm letting them have a say.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No I wasn't mature enough that I think my vote should have counted. I had essentially no vested interest in the system, so I don't think I had any business in directing it.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No I wasn't mature enough that I think my vote should have counted. I had essentially no vested interest in the system, so I don't think I had any business in directing it.

Given how extremely disenfranchised young people are from the political process, it's no wonder you didn't care. Still doesn't mean you shouldn't have the option, either.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

18 is too young.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. The 16 year old me wasn't capable to vote properly.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aidanjt wrote:
BonezTheGoon wrote:
No I wasn't mature enough that I think my vote should have counted. I had essentially no vested interest in the system, so I don't think I had any business in directing it.

Given how extremely disenfranchised young people are from the political process, it's no wonder you didn't care. Still doesn't mean you shouldn't have the option, either.


Well I happen to disagree, which is fine. I don't believe that someone who has no "buy-in" or "investment" should be driving the system. It's why you can't vote in a shareholder vote unless you hold shares. Makes perfect sense to me.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eliminate age as a requirement and implement a test.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Eliminate age as a requirement and implement a test.

Yeah. You could use purity of race, that always works. Or literacy. Or monetary worth. Or political savvy. I don't think so :P
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So being informed is a bad measure of eligibility, but an arbitrary age is perfectly OK⸮
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The age have nothing to do with maturity. Somme peoples will be mature at 16, some other will never be mature, even not at 100.

I don't even think that to vote for one of a gang of morons is a sign of maturity. Politician are not solving problems, they are a part of the problems, and it is why we pay them with the taxes : to keep things as they are and let the worst of us rule the world.

Nor capitalism or marxism is the solution. Both are equally wrong with their ways of life. Capitalism is about exploitation of all of us and every thing by all of us, marxism about fight of all of us against all of us and every thing, when the rule should be about universal respect of all of us and every thing. No one single politician want to change this mess. And not the peoples that vote for them either, they are the same than the ones that voted for a moron like Hitler, they prefer false pseudo-religious promises instead of facts and reality.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was actually quite interested in politics from an early age, however at 16, what I thought of being my own opinion, actually was quite along the lines of my parents. Surprisingly, that seems to be part of the reasoning by the 'vote with 16' crowd: give at least some counterbalance to the majority that is increasingly consisting of old farts.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In any political thinking, you must take in account the fact that the cause of all causes, which determines all human relationships, be they political, economic or social, is our relationship with nature. This is why both capitalism and marxism are equally wrong.

I have done some politics when I was between 20 and 30 years old. Politicians are all the same, they are yellow like bananas hanging on the same branch until the branch will break and they will all fall down. The real question is to know if we want to fall with them or not. Take the US, they are spending more than all the other nations on earth into an criminal war effort, when at the same time, poverty and extreme poverty into the US is growing fast, and no one single politician, even not the president, is able to address the basic needs of its own population. The trend is similar in Europe and in most other "civilised" countries in the world. Decadence, decadence... only decadence.

The only light for the future I can see is the fact, showed by the anthropologists, that the diversity of societies on earth and lifestyles that go with it, is as great as the diversity of conceiving the relationship of man with nature.

The man is the dominant species for tens of thousands of years, more so than ever since the industrial revolution. In consequence, he did not need to struggle with nature to ensure its survival.

Two other facts are that man is part of nature and that nature is his only source of life. In consequence, the relationship of man with nature of any person aware of this place and relationship must be based on the respect of his only source of life.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
Eliminate age as a requirement and implement a test.


Yeah, I've been an advocate of testing with polls (there are many posts here I'm not going to bother to look up because no one cares really) and I think this would be a reasonable idea you suggested. So long as the person is alone anyway, I don't want a new kind of voter fraud from it.
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