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PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:20 pm    Post subject: Resistance is futile: Google buys Boston Dynamics Reply with quote

And I thought Boston Dynamics was creepy enough on their own.

Google expands its robot army with acquisition of ‘Bigdog’ maker Boston Dynamics
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We all know what comes next. Cyberdyne Systems, Robocop, SkyNet, Terminator, the Matrix...

We are approaching Baudrillard's fourth stage. By the way, physicists are frighteningly close to agreeing. The Holometer is intended to test the theory that reality is actual two-dimensional, and that our perception of >4 dimensional space-time is nothing but an illusion akin to a holographic projection (the aspect of which I find most notable being that time is not real). We are just shadows on the cave wall.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Baudrillard's fourth stage
Sounds like some good hallucinogens were harmed in the making of that work.

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The Holometer is intended to test the theory that reality is actual two-dimensional, and that our perception of >4 dimensional space-time is nothing but an illusion akin to a holographic projection (the aspect of which I find most notable being that time is not real). We are just shadows on the cave wall.
Interesting. Though I'm not sure I've heard of >4th.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last I checked, the physicists are up to 11 or 13 dimensions, depending on which theories you adhere to.

See this is why we have things popping out of nowhere, like Higgs bosons and the 80% of the matter and energy in the universe that we know must be there but we cannot observe it normally exists in dimensions we cannot yet perceive, although it seems to interact with ours.

Read Flatland if you never have.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw the title of the thread and instantly knew who wrote it. I wonder what that says.

Let's go back a few years to the Droid X. Try unlocking the bootloader and you would end up with a bricked device, as in the device would erase its own EEPROM. These days with the Moto X, unlocking the bootloader is a supported feature and you still keep your warranty.

Question: What changed with Motorola between then and now?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
Last I checked, the physicists are up to 11 or 13 dimensions, depending on which theories you adhere to.
I meant what they do/are, not their existence. I think some theories are infinite dimensions, no? (I know infinite universes, but I was thinking dimensions too.)


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See this is why we have things popping out of nowhere, like Higgs bosons and the 80% of the matter and energy in the universe that we know must be there but we cannot observe it normally exists in dimensions we cannot yet perceive, although it seems to interact with ours.
Or we just don't completely understand what's been there all along.

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Read Flatland if you never have.
It's on Gutenberg, so I'll put it on my list. Unfortunately, I find most older material difficult to enjoy. The styles of writing are "jarring."
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
I saw the title of the thread and instantly knew who wrote it. I wonder what that says.
I'm consistent?

wswartzendruber wrote:
Let's go back a few years to the Droid X.
I recently posted another thread regarding Android. Did you mean to post this in that one?

wswartzendruber wrote:
Question: What changed with Motorola between then and now?
I generally don't criticize the "quality" of their products. Lack of flexibility, owner control, anonymity, etc, sure.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My post wasn't about phones, it was about Google buying companies.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He knew that; he just lost track of what he was thinking.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
My post wasn't about phones, it was about Google buying companies.
Ah, well, I'm not sure what significance that has. Until there would be an anti-competitive monopoly, I'm not opposed to mergers and acquisitions.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever they do, let's hope they are familiar with Asimov's Three Laws.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
wswartzendruber wrote:
My post wasn't about phones, it was about Google buying companies.
Ah, well, I'm not sure what significance that has. Until there would be an anti-competitive monopoly, I'm not opposed to mergers and acquisitions.

Fine, I'll spell it out.

The title of your thread suggests evil on the part of either Google or Boston Dynamics. So I illustrated that we have one major example of Google buying a company and that company then making drastic improvements to its ethics.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A corporation is only as ethical as its board of directors. So far, in my humble opinion, Google has an excellent board, compared to most firms in terms of ethics. However, with virtually unlimited access to the private data of a billion people or so, there would be severe consequences if they became less benevolent pimps of that data when their growth levels off. They have been quite innovative, so I don't think that will happen for at least a couple of decades. Eventually, though, they will end up like Bell Telephone or International Business Machines, crushed by their own blubbery mass. The biggest risk I see with them is that they won't stand up to the State's intelligence apparatus, and will instead try to walk the line between keeping users happy and keeping the government happy. The government is a huge threat to them because of the potential for anti-trust action and abuse of regulatory authority over communications, financial transactions, and advertising.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 16, 2013 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
pjp wrote:
wswartzendruber wrote:
My post wasn't about phones, it was about Google buying companies.
Ah, well, I'm not sure what significance that has. Until there would be an anti-competitive monopoly, I'm not opposed to mergers and acquisitions.

Fine, I'll spell it out.

The title of your thread suggests evil on the part of either Google or Boston Dynamics. So I illustrated that we have one major example of Google buying a company and that company then making drastic improvements to its ethics.
Oh, OK. I don't consider that a meaningful "ethics" issue as far as corporations are concerned. I would agree that the changes you mentioned were an overall improvement for consumers. But since they removed (or didn't add) user choice regarding external storage, for me, it isn't a net gain.

My concern with Google is that they are an advertising company. And at least for now, their industry is focused on user tracking. It is one thing to say "Well, then don't use their services if you don't like the price of free!", but that misses the point of their ad network when you AREN'T using their services.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:20 am    Post subject: Is Google becoming Cyberdyne Systems? Reply with quote

Seriously, what the hell are they after with buying up all those robotics companies?

Most experts appear to think that they might be trying something like Amazon with drones, but a walking robot would be a lot slower and less efficient at delivering goods.

Another possibility are household helpers and rescue robots, but Google is a profit hungry multinational, not a humanitarian agency.

My guess is that they want to expand Google Glass into a full exo-suit. Robotics would be a great way to develop the right sensors. However, one thing doesn't quite fit into that idea: They are also developing strong and fast "muscles" for DARPA competitions. Sure, they're most likely after more funding, but multinationals don't develop things just to get a few million bucks.

Maybe they finally realized that most Americans are too damn lazy to move and process information, so they'll make an exo-suit that does it for them. Cha-ching!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what are they after?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So what are they after?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

smartass wrote:
So what are they after?

Data, money, power, bitches. You know, monkey business.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robotic drivers for their driverless car?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google's goal is the development of an artificial intelligence. Data collection, book scanning etc. are means to achieve that goal. Distributing advertisements, manipulating markets, stealing other people's work, and selling everybody to the US American Gestapo is a necessity to generate the needed money.
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Google's goal is the development of an artificial intelligence. Data collection, book scanning etc. are means to achieve that goal. Distributing advertisements, manipulating markets, stealing other people's work, and selling everybody to the US American Gestapo is a necessity to generate the needed money.

Possible, and what would they want it for? To process all the data they have collected over the years?

energyman76b, how would they obtain data from a walking robot more efficiently than now?

Even their driverless show that they want to automate aspects of our lives. But what profit do they see in that? They seem to think that people would be willing to give up almost all movement and physical activity of their own and just concentrate on other "more important" things.
Target audience: mindless fatso on Facebook (or G+) and Youtube 24/7. C'mon, I thought the downfall of man would be more thrilling than that.
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Possible, and what would they want it for? To process all the data they have collected over the years?

energyman76b, how would they obtain data from a walking robot more efficiently than now?
Perhaps you should try to understand the difference between knowledge and intelligence before you ask those questions.
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Since corporate game is a monument to human ego, and Google is playing the game to be biggest, badest and The Only One, it is an entity that wants to swallow universe, and if it takes to create AI and kill off the organic, so fucking be it.
Actually, it is no different than any other big corporation out there.

What if they succeed in everything, and swallow all other companies out there, and take care of everything, from data collection to car production, diapers, shit recycling, everything? Would the owners become Gods? No they will simply either die of old age, or become a machine themselves in vain effort to achieve immortality.

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