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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:42 am    Post subject: Bradley Manning Charges Dropped Reply with quote

Bradley Manning Charges Dropped; Soldier Exploits Loophole in UCMJ

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FORT MEADE, MD – Private First Class Bradley Manning will go free after all charges against him were dropped in a stunning outcome which has shocked experts and brought an abrupt close to one of the greatest espionage trials in U.S. history.
In a series of legal maneuvers which left the prosecutor speechless with rage, PFC Manning not only had all 22 charges dropped, but his intelligence clearance was also reinstated. Manning will also be meritoriously promoted to Sergeant, and receive a $500,000 settlement from the US government.

Manning had confounded prosecutors with a series of brilliant tactics that relentlessly delayed his trial, and redirected accusations back against the U.S. government. When accused of leaking over 250,000 classified documents to a foreign national, Manning coolly rebutted that his actions were in protest against Don’t Ask Don’t Tell. When told that his behavior in Iraq was illegal, Manning retorted that it was no more illegal than the American invasion. At one point Manning began emulating Major Nidal Hasan and grew a beard.

The final straw, according to observers, was when Manning married his cellmate and sued for federal benefits and Basic Allowance for Housing. Citing ‘institutionalized bigotry’, Manning’s lawyer repeatedly filed dozens of appeals, demanding an audience with the Supreme Court and the President of the United States. Exasperated at the tremendous waste of the court’s time, the presiding judge finally threw in the towel and let the clever soldier go.

Manning, described by his attorney as “the greatest soldier since Audie Murphy”, held an impromptu press conference on the steps of the courthouse in Fort Meade to celebrate both his victory and a recent media poll showing he had higher name recognition than both Medal of Honor recipient Dakota Meyer and former general David Petraeus.

“This was the best decision I ever made,” a smiling Manning told reporters. “If I could go back, I would do it the exact same way.”

Manning has already lined up a multimillion dollar endorsement deal with a major car company and will be appearing live on stage with Lady Gaga during her upcoming tour.

When asked what his future plans were, Manning said, “I’d kind of like to run for president.”

When reporters started laughing and asked if he meant as a Republican or Democrat, Manning replied, “No, I mean president of the Moon.”

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Win for freedom of speech.
Win for right to information.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Win for being a cheeky twat. :D
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If this had really happened, I'd lose my mind.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems ligit.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting site. And funny.

What Manning did likely resulted in more deaths than the recent school shooting.
Interesting who some people will turn into heroes.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darth Marley wrote:

What Manning did likely resulted in more deaths than the recent school shooting.


Care to explain this with some examples?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.duffelblog.com/2012/06/islamic-customs-anti-ied-tactics-as-military-applies-lessons-of-terror-war-to-war-on-drugs/

this one is completely believable*


*also not restricted to americans
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darth Marley wrote:
Interesting site. And funny.

What Manning did likely resulted in more deaths than the recent school shooting.
Interesting who some people will turn into heroes.

You would have to prove that the documents he released were used to plan American deaths.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fear the source is BS
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry but there is nothing funny about this. The treatment of Manning has been deeply unjust, sadistic, and an embarrassment to the country that bills itself "land of the free."
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had he not been put in solitary confinement, he probably would have been killed. Also, I don't really give a shit about a leaker.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, people who make the abuse, the lies, the atrocities of the government and its willful helpers known are disgusting. Almost as bad as those people who leak details about cost cutting measures which down airplanes or poison the soil.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Doesn't seem to be in mainstream news. If it were real, it sounds more like a way for the government to back out of prosecution rather than a real "win" for the defense. He was only arrested in May of 2010, so 2.5yrs seems like a good start for leaking classified material.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Below is another opinion on this, dated 11/01/29.

Our kind is called homo sapiens. Looking at following chain of events
it is time to start thinking of us as homo stupidus. We defenately are
not able to control what we are doing, using common sense.

Somebody at US government didn't do his/her job. Those cables were not
encrypted and protected as required, so some clerk was able to make
copies and pass them over to a journalist. Leave alone work ethics,
contents of those cables are beyond competence level of mob, thus they
should not be revealed to the mob. Stuff like this belongs to the
kitchen side and should stay there. What this clerk did was wrong.

Now, Wikileaks should have understand that but they decided to publish
them anyway. For furor, for fame, whatever. What Wikileaks did was
wrong.

Now, many financial institutions started harassing Wikileaks. For
instance, PayPal said some government department sent Wikileaks a
letter stating their actions are illegal, thus they stopped accepting
payments. Sic! The letter wasn't even sent to them! In free world one
would assume at least court order is required to freeze an account.
What all those banks did was wrong.

Then, some hackers decided they need to show support for Wikileaks and
started attacking those websites with DDoS, using volunteers, not
zombie botnets, in belief it is not illegal - and punishable. What
these hackers did was wrong.

Now a government agency is arresting these hackers. What hackers did
was merely a protest against unjustified action of the financial
organizations in question. Government should be protecting everyones
right to have bank accounts and have uninterrupted service, instead
they use their influence in an illegal way to impede. Arresting hackers
is wrong.

The genie is out of the bottle, the contents of cables is spread all
over the planet, and I'm sure this chain is not at the end yet. More
wrong actions and decisions is to come ...

Just wondering, those at responsible government department who did not
protect diplomatic correspondence because of their negligence and/or
incompetence, are they still sitting in their cozy cheers, being paid
by taxpayers?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmitchell wrote:
Sorry but there is nothing funny about this. The treatment of Manning has been deeply unjust, sadistic, and an embarrassment to the country that bills itself "land of the free."

I agree. The Constitution is supposed to guarantee one the right to a speedy trial. While he hasn't been kept in harsh confinement for a long time, and while much of the recent delays have been at the hands of his own defense team, the guy has been incarcerated now for 2 years without being convicted. That's just not right.

Now, having said that, I don't have any doubt of his guilt and I think he deserves to spend about a decade in prison for what he did, Gender Identity Dysphoria or no Gender Identity Dysphoria. Personal problems short of insanity do not exonerate one from accountability for their actions (so, eight years on top of time served).

It's impossible to prove all the consequences of his acts in the same way it's impossible to prove that inciting a riot actually caused it, but both acts are illegal for a reason.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uh, the article is from a satire site. It is not real.
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wswartzendruber wrote:
Had he not been put in solitary confinement, he probably would have been killed. Also, I don't really give a shit about a leaker.

Solitary confinement isn't the half of it. As for not caring, you should care about the precedent it sets. Even hundreds of years ago people understood this. For instance, in 1795 Thomas Paine wrote, "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." Pretty short-sighted to not even care.
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wswartzendruber wrote:
Uh, the article is from a satire site. It is not real.

Uh, some of us knew that.
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I agree. The Constitution is supposed to guarantee one the right to a speedy trial. While he hasn't been kept in harsh confinement for a long time, and while much of the recent delays have been at the hands of his own defense team, the guy has been incarcerated now for 2 years without being convicted. That's just not right.
The court hasn't prevented him from receiving a trial. He has chosen to remain in prison while preventing his own trial. I don't know what the maximum sentence is which could make him a flight risk, but that's probably a part of why he isn't under house / work arrest.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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wswartzendruber wrote:
Had he not been put in solitary confinement, he probably would have been killed. Also, I don't really give a shit about a leaker.

Solitary confinement isn't the half of it. As for not caring, you should care about the precedent it sets. Even hundreds of years ago people understood this. For instance, in 1795 Thomas Paine wrote, "He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." I think it's pretty short-sighted to let the government get away with this without even caring.

Get away with what, though. They should not get away with denying a citizen their right to a speedy trial, but Manning is no "whistle blower"; he's just a traitor and a criminal. Those 400,000 classified military reports he released didn't do anybody any good except al Qaeda and the Taliban.
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BoneKracker wrote:
I agree. The Constitution is supposed to guarantee one the right to a speedy trial. While he hasn't been kept in harsh confinement for a long time, and while much of the recent delays have been at the hands of his own defense team, the guy has been incarcerated now for 2 years without being convicted. That's just not right.
The court hasn't prevented him from receiving a trial. He has chosen to remain in prison while preventing his own trial. I don't know what the maximum sentence is which could make him a flight risk, but that's probably a part of why he isn't under house / work arrest.

He wasn't even charged with a crime until two months after his arrest. There was no Article 32 hearing (military equivalent of a grand jury) until 19 months after his arrest. Did his defense cause that? I don't think so.

I said back in Early 2011 (coming up on two years ago) that the Government was screwing up by not getting to trial within a year. The normal UCMJ standard for "speedy trial" is 4 months.
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Get away with what, though. They should not get away with denying a citizen their right to a speedy trial, but Manning is no "whistle blower"; he's just a traitor and a criminal. He didn't do anybody any good.

In addition to the speedy trial, get away with subjecting to cruel and inhuman treatment someone who has merely been accused of a crime (this applies to anyone, actually). I'm going to ignore the second half of your post; not taking the bait. :P
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BoneKracker wrote:
I said back in Early 2011 (coming up on two years ago) that the Government was screwing up by not getting to trial within a year. The normal UCMJ standard for "speedy trial" is 4 months.
Is it "good"? Certainly not. Is it justification for any kind of mistrial? Certainly not. Maybe you're right. Maybe the government should lose based on the delays. Has the defense presented any unconstitutional or illegal detention claim?

In civilian land, isn't 72hrs before you must be charged or released? Although they can release you and arrest you again, so I'm not sure of the significance in the long run.
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contents of those cables are beyond competence level of mob, thus they should not be revealed to the mob.

Utter tripe. Freedom of information in a republic is *vital*, anything less than full disclosure regarding operations which have run their course is blatantly misleading the public, the same public which has to decide how representatives and their parties are serving their interests come election day. Anyone who has the tools to strategically hide information from the public has the effective power to rig elections and public policy. Simply bare asserting that the public isn't capable of reading and understanding the cables, is not only specious and irrelevant, but it's also downright scary dangerous, a lubed up slippery slope into a *very* *very* dark place indeed.
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