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Bones McCracker
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that's funny. :lol:
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tylerwylie wrote:
juniper wrote:
so why did you elect it? :lol:

it is a bad joke, and difficult to find a solution. Your govt is huge and dysfunctional, and I don't know how it got that way. I don't think that welfare is the problem though. You have a crazy complex tax system, duplication at different levels of govt, a bloated military etc etc etc.
All limited forms of governments eventually become the largest oppressive regimes. The free-er the people and more open the marketplace, the more wealth that gets generated, the more wealth that can get siphoned off by the parasitic caste for whatever purposes they seem fit. History repeats.


I am not so cynical. Govt does bloat, but changes occur and it should correct itself. In 1990, Canada was threatened with losing its triple A rating on account of the deficit and it got fixed. America is in weird position because no one takes a downgrade seriously.

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juniper wrote:

this problem will get worse. You have the pigs who have been at the trough for years now not moving over. They are getting old and demanding more.
The wealthiest generation the world has ever seen will also collect the most welfare and pass on the cost to unborn saps who will be told that their share of the debt is in the hundreds of thousands as soon as they turn 18. SOCIAL JUSTICE WOOHOO.


It is just greed though. That generation had a demographic advantage. Free tuition was easily possible when the bulk of the population was in their working years. Now the bulk is retiring, and that shifts demographics heavily. But either they have to realize what pain they are leaving behind or the young have to start voting. You would be amazed at the giveaways here for the old. The bulk of the cuts hit the young here. Seniors get a free bus pass, and reduced tube rates. They could have easily hammered on that, but they didn't.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
I am not so cynical. Govt does bloat, but changes occur and it should correct itself.
At this point in the U.S. it isn't mathematically possible to fulfill welfare obligations without destroying the dollar. The next 20 years will be interesting.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tylerwylie wrote:
juniper wrote:
I am not so cynical. Govt does bloat, but changes occur and it should correct itself.
At this point in the U.S. it isn't mathematically possible to fulfill welfare obligations without destroying the dollar. The next 20 years will be interesting.


indeed. So why oppose single payer health care? Obamacare is a nightmare. You have to raise retirement age, means test social security, scale back the military and the list goes on.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
Now that's funny. :lol:
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
BoneKracker wrote:
Now that's funny. :lol:
:roll:

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