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LoTeK Apprentice


Joined: 26 Jul 2012 Posts: 233
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Are you implying that apple is useful for something other than seperating idiots from their money?
There is nothing else apple has ever done that couldn't be done better with what already existed. |
I really hate apple very hard.. but didn't they come up with computer graphics?
I sometimes don't know what I should hate more, apple or microsoft... |
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ichbinsisyphos Guru


Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 547
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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| They came up with computer graphics as Ronald Reagan invented the internet. How did you get such an idea? A detail I remember was that they bought Xerox technology to build their graphics system on. |
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aidanjt Veteran


Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 1101 Location: Rep. of Ireland
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| LoTeK wrote: | | I really hate apple very hard.. but didn't they come up with computer graphics? |
No, that'd be Xerox. Steve Jobs just ripped them off. _________________
| juniper wrote: | | you experience political reality dilation when travelling at american political speeds. it's in einstein's formulas. it's not their fault. |
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LoTeK Apprentice


Joined: 26 Jul 2012 Posts: 233
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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ok, I just remember hearing that they were before microsoft with mouse and GUI, but of course they stole it like bsd.. but hey, apples are sooo good, not just the software, they have better hardware... lol
ronald reagan maybe had invented the internet along with his star wars satelite defense network |
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Prenj n00b


Joined: 20 Nov 2011 Posts: 7 Location: Mostar, BiH
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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You all are missing the point.
Without apple, all of that stuff would be sitting in Xerox somewhere, and we would be amazed by the fact that you can have 320x200 console window.
Steve Jobs was genious at putting things into context. That's why his stuff sells, because great majority of people agrees. Geeks with aspergers are just angry cos chicks don't dig linux.  |
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LoTeK Apprentice


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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| well, without geeks with aspergers we wouldn't have anything technological... and the great majority don't agree, they are just lazy followers and buy a mac because everybody else have one and you are not cool without one (at least in some social environments) |
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Prenj n00b


Joined: 20 Nov 2011 Posts: 7 Location: Mostar, BiH
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| LoTeK wrote: | | well, without geeks with aspergers we wouldn't have anything technological... and the great majority don't agree, they are just lazy followers and buy a mac because everybody else have one and you are not cool without one (at least in some social environments) |
Cool because you follow a trend, or cool because you don't, you are still stuck in a pattern. |
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NotQuiteSane Guru


Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 470 Location: Klamath Falls, Jefferson, USA, North America, Midgarth
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| LoTeK wrote: | apples are sooo good, not just the software, they have better hardware... lol  |
That used to be true-ish. nowdays... not so much.
But a more correct statement would have been "Apple has better consumer grade hardware."
i've got an acer laptop at home that was given to me after being run over by a semi. cracked case, no lcd, no speakers, broken audio jack. But still working.
Show me an apple that can do the same
NQS _________________ These opinions are mine, mine I say! Piss off and get your own.
As I see it -- An irregular blog, Improved with new location
To delete French language packs from system use 'sudo rm -fr /' |
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LoTeK Apprentice


Joined: 26 Jul 2012 Posts: 233
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| I know what you mean.. it's like atheists that have their own believe, but it's different here anyway because if one does something or buy's something that one truly like and that didn't came from the "outside", the question if it's cool or not doesn't even appear. obviously apple users like their apple because of "outside influences" and most of them have absolutely no idea how a computer works (I know it, because two very good friends of mine are such apple users) but tell how good an apple computer is, that the hardware is better and so on... |
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LoTeK Apprentice


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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| NotQuiteSane wrote: | | LoTeK wrote: | apples are sooo good, not just the software, they have better hardware... lol  |
That used to be true-ish. nowdays... not so much.
But a more correct statement would have been "Apple has better consumer grade hardware."
i've got an acer laptop at home that was given to me after being run over by a semi. cracked case, no lcd, no speakers, broken audio jack. But still working.
Show me an apple that can do the same
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but as far as I know they also use for example intel chips, and I don't believe that apple hardware is (or was) as good as for example the old IBM thinkpads (or even the new ones...)
maybe because apple assembles the whole system, it might be more reliable, but not because "apple is better" but obviously when you design a whole system it's more coordinated then if you just build the OS and let other companies assemble the system.
back in the 80ties ETH Zurich computers were completely build at home, hardware from electrical engineers, software from computerscience departement, thats a cool "in house system".
anyway, in an apple you can't even take your battery out...  |
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NotQuiteSane Guru


Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 470 Location: Klamath Falls, Jefferson, USA, North America, Midgarth
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| LoTeK wrote: | anyway, in an apple you can't even take your battery out...  |
Bullshit. I've got a cutting torch.
NQS _________________ These opinions are mine, mine I say! Piss off and get your own.
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LiamOS n00b


Joined: 06 Jun 2012 Posts: 56 Location: Kerry/Dublin, Ireland
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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This thread is great.
On topic, I do hope we get a long spiel from BK about his fun with emacs.
Vim is the love of my life; so much so that many of my emails contain :w a few times, or end with
Regards,
Liam:wq _________________ CFLAGS=" -O999999" |
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Shadow Skill Veteran

Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 1023
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:37 am Post subject: |
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ctrl-h a will allow you to look up commands matching a word or regular expression. (I don't think it uses perl style regex for this command though.)
ctrl-h k will tell you what function a given key combination is bound to.
Don't bother trying to memorize all those key bindings all at once. Focus instead on learning the function names and let the key bindings sink in over time.
The space bar completes names in the minibuffer no need to reach for the tab key though that works too.
http://www.emacswiki.org/ Probably has an answer. Use this site, love this site.
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(setq package-archives '(("gnu" . "http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/")
("marmalade" . "http://marmalade-repo.org/packages/")
("melpa" . "http://melpa.milkbox.net/packages/")
)) | Stick something like the above in your .emacs.
If you are going to hand edit your .emacs file install at least highlight-parentheses-mode and add this to your .emacs.
| Code: | (add-hook 'emacs-lisp-mode-hook
(lambda()
(highlight-parentheses-mode t)
(paredit-mode t)));Note that paredit is optional. Though highly recommended for lisp modes. |
Both highlight parentheses-mode and paredit-mode are available through the built in package manager. Enable Marmalade or Melpa repositories. _________________ Ware wa mutekinari.
Wa ga kage waza ni kanau mono nashi.
Wa ga ichigeki wa mutekinari.
"First there was nothing, so the lord gave us light. There was still nothing, but at least you could see it." |
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dmitchell Veteran


Joined: 17 May 2003 Posts: 1154 Location: Austin, Texas
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | And that picture of Wagner isn't? Looks like he was out for a round of golf and just noticed how nicely his caddy's knickers fit when he's retrieving a ball. |
No evidence he was homosexual (quite the opposite!) but he did wear ladies underwear. Fact.
| Quote: | | Seriously: it's that bad? |
Don't know, never used it. I always too turned off by Stallman and the do-it-all philosophy to give it a try. You should learn it and report back to us. _________________ Your argument is invalid. |
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BoneKracker Veteran


Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1488 Location: U.S.A.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:32 am Post subject: Re: I've decided to try Emacs. |
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| Prenj wrote: | | NotQuiteSane wrote: | | Prenj wrote: | Steve Jobs did drugs. Linus didn't. There you go.  |
Are you implying that apple is useful for something other than seperating idiots from their money?
There is nothing else apple has ever done that couldn't be done better with what already existed.
NQS |
It is also useful to separate aspergers from the rest.  |
By the way, in the new DSM, Asperger's is no longer a separate diagnosis; it has been lumped in with "Autism Spectrum Disorders" in general. Not that this has anything to do with this discussion. _________________ Oldthinkers unbellyfeel INGSOC.
-- Headline of a document on Winston Smith's terminal in his cubicle at the Ministry of Truth, seen briefly in the background in one scene of the movie rendition of Nineteen Eighty-Four. |
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notageek Tux's lil' helper


Joined: 05 Jun 2008 Posts: 78 Location: Bangalore, India
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| energyman76b wrote: | | emacs was made for people with manly keyboards. | Men are not required to have nimble fingers. Thought you should know. _________________ What looks like a cat, flies like a bat, brays like a donkey, and plays like a monkey? |
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BoneKracker Veteran


Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1488 Location: U.S.A.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:26 am Post subject: |
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So far, I cannot bring myself to do it. I did 'emerge -pv emacs' and sat there looking at it, thinking, "Do I really want to do this?"  _________________ Oldthinkers unbellyfeel INGSOC.
-- Headline of a document on Winston Smith's terminal in his cubicle at the Ministry of Truth, seen briefly in the background in one scene of the movie rendition of Nineteen Eighty-Four. |
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notageek Tux's lil' helper


Joined: 05 Jun 2008 Posts: 78 Location: Bangalore, India
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:05 am Post subject: |
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Chicken Tandoori. _________________ What looks like a cat, flies like a bat, brays like a donkey, and plays like a monkey? |
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woddfellow2 n00b


Joined: 01 Dec 2009 Posts: 20 Location: United States
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:03 am Post subject: |
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A warning: If you want to use the graphical Emacs with the daemon/emacsclient as many do, I recommend compiling it with the lucid toolkit instead of GTK, due to a bug in GTK that makes it unreliable.
My /etc/portage/package.use contains the following:
| Code: | | app-editors/emacs -gtk |
_________________ 1-Crawl 2-Cnfg 3-ATF 4-Exit ? |
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Crooksey Apprentice


Joined: 26 Apr 2006 Posts: 236 Location: Vatican City
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| LoTeK wrote: | | Quote: | | When im coding I use an IDE (eclipse/aptana) as I didnt spend $1000+ on my laptop to use 1% of its CPU and RAM, I spent $1000+ to use a nice fully featured DE with whatever apps I want that make my life as a coder easier. |
I currently program in eiffel with the eiffelstudio, which is similar to eclipse. I don't understand why such an environment should make your life as a coder easier. I mean one important thing is syntax highlighting which vim etc support of course.
Of all engineering disciplines maybe software is the most buggiest from all, for example a hardware failure is very rarely but system- or program crashes do happen all the time, so why write programs that are way more complex but don't provide any thing absolute necessary, or do someone believe a vim-coder is not as good as a eclipse-coder?!
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I use Eclipise(Aptana) as I am a python web developer.
I have about 8 or 9 virtualenv's I constantly swap between, instant code debugging and works for different interpreters I have setup.
Also it integrates nicely into git, so I can instantly switch between branches, track changes etc etc all within my editor. |
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BoneKracker Veteran


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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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Why would you use a Java-based IDE if you're a python web developer? _________________ Oldthinkers unbellyfeel INGSOC.
-- Headline of a document on Winston Smith's terminal in his cubicle at the Ministry of Truth, seen briefly in the background in one scene of the movie rendition of Nineteen Eighty-Four. |
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Shadow Skill Veteran

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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | Why would you use a Java-based IDE if you're a python web developer? | Directory navigation. Especially with these MVC frameworks. This can be a bit of a pain with Emacs (Yea the speedbar exists but meh.) I've been meaning to hack Rinari (A minor mode for Rails development.) to get the same functionality for the Laravel PHP framework. The directory structures are almost the same so it should not be too hard to set up for it. _________________ Ware wa mutekinari.
Wa ga kage waza ni kanau mono nashi.
Wa ga ichigeki wa mutekinari.
"First there was nothing, so the lord gave us light. There was still nothing, but at least you could see it." |
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energyman76b Advocate


Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 2022 Location: Germany
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| notageek wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | emacs was made for people with manly keyboards. | Men are not required to have nimble fingers. Thought you should know. |
that is why men invented this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_cadet_keyboard
and this:
http://deskthority.net/wiki/Cherry_G80-2100 _________________
| AidanJT wrote: |
Libertardian denial of reality is wholly unimpressive and unconvincing, and simply serves to demonstrate what a bunch of delusional fools they all are.
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Satan's got perfectly toned abs and rocks a c-cup. |
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notageek Tux's lil' helper


Joined: 05 Jun 2008 Posts: 78 Location: Bangalore, India
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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This is like porn for you, isn't it? _________________ What looks like a cat, flies like a bat, brays like a donkey, and plays like a monkey? |
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LoTeK Apprentice


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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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where can I buy such a keyboard? |
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