I've decided to try Emacs.

pjp · Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:51 am Post subject:

My first guess was Mr. Cryptonomicon, and google reveals at least 3 within the top few results.
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BoneKracker · Veteran Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1488 Location: U.S.A.

Org mode looks extremely useful.
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At my previous job, there were two old-school UNIX wizzards, both of them were coding in Emacs, and were really good. Watching them using it was amazing, so I think I tried honestly 2-3 times over the period of 8 years to get to grips with it. The rationalle was simple, if I could be proficient and feel at home in emacs, I don't have to worry about IDE anymore, since you would get something super-rich that works on windows, linux, solaris, X or console.

But... I never went past the stage that it felt awkward and "wrong". Kinda like watching someone play drums, and then you sit and start doing it yourself, and after 2 minutes you start thinking "now, where is my bass guitar"

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BoneKracker · Veteran Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1488 Location: U.S.A.

If you're going to do that you might as well use Emacs. That's like building a shack in the bed of your pickup truck and pretending it's a Winnebago.

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pjp · Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:15 am Post subject:

dmitchell · Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:46 am Post subject:

Never used vimlatex. But I recently discovered pandoc which can convert markdown ... to beamer slides! Mind. Blown.
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smartass · Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:09 am Post subject:

pandoc is a nice utility, possibly one of the best of its kind atm. The author also made a wiki based on pandoc called gitit, because it uses git as a revision backend, so everything is a flat file.
I deployed it a few months ago at my university, because there are people that write in LaTeX and other things. It can't do everything, but it can do most things. Now we use several instances even internally for other projects.

However, I still find org-mode's Beamer minor mode way more powerful and faster for writing Beamer presentations.

dmitchell · Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:02 am Post subject:

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BoneKracker · Veteran Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1488 Location: U.S.A.

After a couple more days of exploration, I'm currently wondering to what extent this is even comprehensible. It seems like most people are using a few little pieces of it.

It seems like getting this most out of emacs would require developing a fairly in-depth understanding of how it works, as well as elisp. While it does a myriad of things out of the box, most users heavily modify it There are users creating their own extensions and customization on top of extensions and customization which are their own organized, collaborative projects, on top of extensions and customization which have their own communities a decade or more old, on top of the base product, which is regularly incorporating pieces of all the above.

I can't imagine what the use-case diagram would look like for this. It would cover the floor of an arena. It took me two days (of a couple hours each day) just to wade through the info docs for the base product. :lol:

I'm now calling it "a keyboard-oriented integrated development and productivity suite".

By the way, apparently somebody has created an "org-mode" for Vim, mimicking some of the same kind of capability.
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BoneKracker · Veteran Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1488 Location: U.S.A.

Thanks. I'm trying to find an up to date source of information.

Edit: Great. The first thing out of his mouth is another highly recommended mode to use. :lol:

All these new key bindings are pushing valuable information off my stack; I'm screwing up in my keyboard-driven window manager and keyboard-driven web browser now. :lol:

Edit2: Now he's saying things I recall hearing from my Tae Kwon Do instructor and my Zen mentor:

pjp · Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:54 am Post subject:

notageek · Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:14 am Post subject:

That's Jeet Kun Do. Bruce Lee stuff.
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pjp · Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 4:19 am Post subject:

It is.
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smartass · Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 6:54 am Post subject:

marens · Apprentice Joined: 05 Aug 2004 Posts: 172

we are still talking about TEXT EDITORS, right?
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smartass · Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:49 pm Post subject:

Yes marens, whoever doesn't appreciate helpful editor macros for getting stuff done faster can use cat or ed if they prefer.

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