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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 3:23 am Post subject: Re: Racist Netherlands and Belgium and their Christmas Nigge |
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| juniper wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: |
But it's not just a Winter Consumer Orgy. Mostly it's a feel-good time. People are nice to each other around Christmas. That, and not the giving and receiving of gifts (unless you're under 13 years old or so), is what makes it special. |
sounds like a "happy holiday" to me. If it has little to do with Christ and more to do with frost and santa, let's just say that. |
There you go again. It's a "holiday", is it? What's so holy about it? You are persecuting me as an atheist by referring to it as a "holy day".
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:12 am Post subject: Re: Racist Netherlands and Belgium and their Christmas Nigge |
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| juniper wrote: |
I don't care if people say "merry christmas", but it is a bit odd to walk up to a jew/muslim/sikh and say it. It's still a christian holiday. jews don't walk up to me and say happy hanukah and muslims don't walk up to me and say happy ramadan. That's because they probably assume that i don't celebrate it and they are right. I celebrate winterval, but I don't celebrate christma. |
I wish anyone and everyone a happy Christmas, I don't bother trying to guess their religion. Perhaps you would be surprised at how many muslims/jews/sikhs enjoy the day off to spend with their families. I doubt they would think it was anything but a day to be happy, and not a day to be miserable. In fact they would probably have more of a problem with people who go out of their way to disparage Christmas, since in other faiths at least there are rules about changing faiths.
If you encountered Jews or Muslims that were friends you might find they greet you in a cultural fashion and they may indeed wish you a happy "insert religious observance".
I don't understand why you are bothering at all if you are so against the holiday season. |
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Ugh. Winter Solstice Festival, please! You are persecuting me by calling them "Holy Days"! The nerve of some people. 
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:36 am Post subject: Re: Racist Netherlands and Belgium and their Christmas Nigge |
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| BoneKracker wrote: |
There you go again. It's a "holiday", is it? What's so holy about it? You are persecuting me as an atheist by referring to it as a "holy day". |
colloquial use of holiday. day off. but if you prefer, happy winterval.
As I said, i don't really care either way until my tax dollars are saying merry christmas to me. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Racist Netherlands and Belgium and their Christmas Nigge |
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| sikpuppy wrote: | | juniper wrote: |
I don't care if people say "merry christmas", but it is a bit odd to walk up to a jew/muslim/sikh and say it. It's still a christian holiday. jews don't walk up to me and say happy hanukah and muslims don't walk up to me and say happy ramadan. That's because they probably assume that i don't celebrate it and they are right. I celebrate winterval, but I don't celebrate christma. |
I wish anyone and everyone a happy Christmas, I don't bother trying to guess their religion. Perhaps you would be surprised at how many muslims/jews/sikhs enjoy the day off to spend with their families. I doubt they would think it was anything but a day to be happy, and not a day to be miserable. In fact they would probably have more of a problem with people who go out of their way to disparage Christmas, since in other faiths at least there are rules about changing faiths.
If you encountered Jews or Muslims that were friends you might find they greet you in a cultural fashion and they may indeed wish you a happy "insert religious observance".
I don't understand why you are bothering at all if you are so against the holiday season. |
I know jews, hindus and sikhs (no muslims) and NO ONE has ever come up to me and said Happy Hanukah or the equivalent.
I am sure jews etc love having christmas off, but I am sure they would prefer having their own holidays off. I lived with a jew who would fast for passover and didn't like going to work during it on account of being tired. He told me he would rather have passover off than christmas (of course). I just don't get the christian idea that you can force people to take their holidays on your big day AND make them call it christmas on top of that. Be a bit more gracious.
so, if you are happy shoving christmas down people's throat, then continue.
As you can see, my reaction is a bit harsh. That is entirely to do with the fact the christians take take take in the three countries I have lived and then cry when people push back (americans excepted. unless you watch bill o'reilly, things are ok there). |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Racist Netherlands and Belgium and their Christmas Nigge |
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| juniper wrote: | | As you can see, my reaction is a bit harsh. That is entirely to do with the fact the christians take take take in the three countries I have lived and then cry when people push back (americans excepted. unless you watch bill o'reilly, things are ok there). |
That doesnt have to do with which religion is in question, but with the fact that dominant social groups take their cultural paradigm for granted, as truth/norm. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Racist Netherlands and Belgium and their Christmas Nigge |
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| Prenj wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | As you can see, my reaction is a bit harsh. That is entirely to do with the fact the christians take take take in the three countries I have lived and then cry when people push back (americans excepted. unless you watch bill o'reilly, things are ok there). |
That doesnt have to do with which religion is in question, but with the fact that dominant social groups take their cultural paradigm for granted, as truth/norm. |
as i said, take take take... |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:00 pm Post subject: Re: Racist Netherlands and Belgium and their Christmas Nigge |
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| juniper wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: |
There you go again. It's a "holiday", is it? What's so holy about it? You are persecuting me as an atheist by referring to it as a "holy day". |
colloquial use of holiday. day off. but if you prefer, happy winterval. |
Oh, well I just making colloquial use of "Merry Christmas". It's okay for me to say it, because I'm an atheist, but don't you say it (kind of like how only black people can say "nigger").
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Racist Netherlands and Belgium and their Christmas Nigge |
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| juniper wrote: |
I am sure jews etc love having christmas off, but I am sure they would prefer having their own holidays off. I lived with a jew who would fast for passover and didn't like going to work during it on account of being tired. He told me he would rather have passover off than christmas (of course). |
then he should stop whining around (typical jewish profession) and just take some days off.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:11 pm Post subject: Re: Racist Netherlands and Belgium and their Christmas Nigge |
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| juniper wrote: | | Prenj wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | As you can see, my reaction is a bit harsh. That is entirely to do with the fact the christians take take take in the three countries I have lived and then cry when people push back (americans excepted. unless you watch bill o'reilly, things are ok there). |
That doesnt have to do with which religion is in question, but with the fact that dominant social groups take their cultural paradigm for granted, as truth/norm. |
as i said, take take take... |
well, you can always leave for another place. I am sure in Saudi Arabia they will be much more concerned about your religious feelings as a non-muslim.
I am personally pissed off by this whole 'discussion'. Again, like every year, I will drink some Korn on the night of Baldur's birth and a lot more Korn on the last day of Saturnalia before going an a eating and gift exchange binge on the following three days. And I will call it 'weihnachten'. Because even as an atheist I can enjoy most of its aspects (not included: Wham!)
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Racist Netherlands and Belgium and their Christmas Nigge |
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| energyman76b wrote: | | ... not included: Wham! ... |
hahha, now I remember why I stopped going out around Christmas. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Racist Netherlands and Belgium and their Christmas Nigge |
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| energyman76b wrote: | | juniper wrote: |
I am sure jews etc love having christmas off, but I am sure they would prefer having their own holidays off. I lived with a jew who would fast for passover and didn't like going to work during it on account of being tired. He told me he would rather have passover off than christmas (of course). |
then he should stop whining around (typical jewish profession) and just take some days off. |
That can sometimes be hard. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Racist Netherlands and Belgium and their Christmas Nigge |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: |
There you go again. It's a "holiday", is it? What's so holy about it? You are persecuting me as an atheist by referring to it as a "holy day". |
colloquial use of holiday. day off. but if you prefer, happy winterval. |
Oh, well I just making colloquial use of "Merry Christmas". It's okay for me to say it, because I'm an atheist, but don't you say it (kind of like how only black people can say "nigger"). |
As I said, I don't it in america. coming from an american, I'm cool. Merry fucking christmas to you to. but if you step on this island and say that...
As I said, I don't really care. it is more a reaction to state religion. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: Racist Netherlands and Belgium and their Christmas Nigge |
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| juniper wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: |
There you go again. It's a "holiday", is it? What's so holy about it? You are persecuting me as an atheist by referring to it as a "holy day". |
colloquial use of holiday. day off. but if you prefer, happy winterval. |
Oh, well I just making colloquial use of "Merry Christmas". It's okay for me to say it, because I'm an atheist, but don't you say it (kind of like how only black people can say "nigger"). |
As I said, I don't it in america. coming from an american, I'm cool. Merry fucking christmas to you to. but if you step on this island and say that...
As I said, I don't really care. it is more a reaction to state religion. |
reactions are for pussies. Real men act!
You don't want to hear 'merry christmas'? Just punch the fucker in the face when he opens his pie hole. Not only can you be sure that he won't wish you a 'merry christmas' ever again, the next people you will deal with - police, prosecutor, judge, won't wish you one either. That is up to 10 people not saying 'merry christmas' for one punch! Think about that! and now go outside and start punching people.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: Racist Netherlands and Belgium and their Christmas Nigge |
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| juniper wrote: | | Winter Consumer Orgy (WCO) clearly has nothing to Jesus or Christmas, so why call it that? |
It's a trapping of the culture (that thing which we don't apparently have), holly (I'm not a druid), - nativity scenes,
the point I'm trying to make is that religion doesn't matter, but if something carries on long enough, it
becomes an example of various social mores.
Bits of informal glue that bind.
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Such things are unacceptable in leftist authoritarian states. If it didn't come from the State, it's verboten, and anything that comes from some other source (e.g., religion, ethnicity, family, etc.) is anathema. There Can Be Only One Collective, and the leftist authoritarian State will see to it that it has no competition.
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All holidays should become Government Obeisance Days. Any money which hasn't already been taxed should be given up in offering.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | Such things are unacceptable in leftist authoritarian states. If it didn't come from the State, it's verboten, and anything that comes from some other source (e.g., religion, ethnicity, family, etc.) is anathema. There Can Be Only One Collective, and the leftist authoritarian State will see to it that it has no competition. |
nothing is unacceptable. If you want to celebrate WCO, go ahead. If you want to say Merry Christmas to me, go ahead. But WCO is not christian, so it's a bit weird to insist on it.
I'll be clear. I have a christmas tree in my house. I like the lights. Lights are pretty. It's a joyful time. People are having fun. I can't believe the catholic church allows this kind of fun in its name. |
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| juniper wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Such things are unacceptable in leftist authoritarian states. If it didn't come from the State, it's verboten, and anything that comes from some other source (e.g., religion, ethnicity, family, etc.) is anathema. There Can Be Only One Collective, and the leftist authoritarian State will see to it that it has no competition. |
nothing is unacceptable. If you want to celebrate WCO, go ahead. If you want to say Merry Christmas to me, go ahead. But WCO is not christian, so it's a bit weird to insist on it.
I'll be clear. I have a christmas tree in my house. I like the lights. Lights are pretty. It's a joyful time. People are having fun. I can't believe the catholic church allows this kind of fun in its name. |
You may feel it's acceptable, but your leftish authoritarian state does not, and neither does mine.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Such things are unacceptable in leftist authoritarian states. If it didn't come from the State, it's verboten, and anything that comes from some other source (e.g., religion, ethnicity, family, etc.) is anathema. There Can Be Only One Collective, and the leftist authoritarian State will see to it that it has no competition. |
nothing is unacceptable. If you want to celebrate WCO, go ahead. If you want to say Merry Christmas to me, go ahead. But WCO is not christian, so it's a bit weird to insist on it.
I'll be clear. I have a christmas tree in my house. I like the lights. Lights are pretty. It's a joyful time. People are having fun. I can't believe the catholic church allows this kind of fun in its name. |
You may feel it's acceptable, but your leftish authoritarian state does not, and neither does mine. |
Those poor oppressed christians/christmas loving secularists. How do they keep it bottled up like that? I mean, look at the Oxford Street webcam.
http://www.streamdays.com/camera/view/oxford-street-london
No signs of christmas there  . For those not clicking the link, I am being sarcastic. it looks like a christmas bomb went off there, and it has for a few weeks. Christmas isn't for another 18 days, but you wouldn't know it from Oxford Street! Non-stop christmas from late november!
if the state is restraining christmas in anyway, I guess I should thank them for it. The only thing that would make Oxford Street more christmasy is if Jesus resurrected at one end, and santa set up of shop at the other.
Seriously, christians/christmas lovers crying foul in these countries make me puke. if you hear people talk here (and foxnews in the US) you'd think christmas lovers are as oppressed as gays in Saudi Arabia. perspective people. |
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Oh, stop. Please.
I don't see any "Christ" there; there's not one religious thing. There's no Nativity scenes, no crosses, not even the word "Christmas" anywhere. If it weren't for the Santa hat, that could be anywhere, anytime.
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Christmas is celebration of shopping and eating.
Why you guys pretend it has anything to do with religion. |
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| Prenj wrote: | | Why you guys pretend it has anything to do with religion. |
In the US, there are a LOT of people who go out of their way to make sure you don't forget it is religious. A couple of years back there was a big brouhaha over some of them going nutzo if someone didn't say Merry Christmas to them instead of Happy Holidays, etc.
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| Prenj wrote: | Christmas is celebration of shopping and eating.
Why you guys pretend it has anything to do with religion. |
then why not aptly name it? Merry christmas vs winter gluttony fest? all i am asking for is a little truth in the name. |
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