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ichbinsisyphos
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If the government pays for the birth it can do with your child whatever it wants.
edit: welcome back, Glenn Beck  |
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| ichbinsisyphos wrote: | If the government pays for the birth it can do with your child whatever it wants.
edit: welcome back, Glenn Beck |
I guess the same can be said with education.
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you know, if the Daily Mail is your source you should really hesitate taking that stuff serious. That is almost as bad as quoting The Onion.
Besides, when a baby is going to die anyway - why prolong it suffering?
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So sad. All we can hope for is that future technology will enable reliable detection of defects earlier in the pregnancy.
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| energyman76b wrote: | | the Daily Mail is your source |
i had an open mind until then. i was seriously like "yeah, i could foresee a fucked up incentive system causing this." and then i saw the source. waste of characters. |
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Thank God they weren't euthanised humanely, because that'd be wrong. 
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| big dave wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | the Daily Mail is your source |
i had an open mind until then. i was seriously like "yeah, i could foresee a fucked up incentive system causing this." and then i saw the source. waste of characters. |
Unfortunately the practice isn't a dailyfail legend: http://www.nhs.uk/news/2012/11November/Pages/What-is-the-Liverpool-Care-Pathway.aspx
Humane life termination is still legally treated as murder or assisted suicide, both carrying jail terms in the UK.
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so letting people die instead of turning them in man-machine hybrids and keeping them alive however possible is wrong?
Don't think so.
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| energyman76b wrote: | | so letting people die instead of turning them in man-machine hybrids and keeping them alive however possible is wrong? |
It is wrong when you murder them by negligence. If we're going to be entertaining euthanasia, it should be done properly and humanely.
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| aidanjt wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | so letting people die instead of turning them in man-machine hybrids and keeping them alive however possible is wrong? |
It is wrong when you murder them by negligence. If we're going to be entertaining euthanasia, it should be done properly and humanely. |
it is not murder nor is there negligence.
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| energyman76b wrote: | | it is not murder nor is there negligence. |
When you malnourish and dehydrate someone to death, that's negligence. It may dodge the murder rap by being state sanctioned, but it's still homicide by neglect.
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no, it is not. You might think that there is suffering involved.
Done right, there is no suffering.
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| energyman76b wrote: | no, it is not. You might think that there is suffering involved.
Done right, there is no suffering. |
Do tell, how does one starve "correctly"?
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| Bigun wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | no, it is not. You might think that there is suffering involved.
Done right, there is no suffering. |
Do tell, how does one starve "correctly"? |
well, have you ever dealt with very old people? you have basically force them to eat. And drink. Not eating (or not drinking) is not a problem for them. They don't care. That is why homes for the elderly have to watch and protocol how much the patients eat and drink. On their own they will starve&dehydrate themselves.
The only thing really that is hard on them (and freemies) are the dry orificies when thirsty. Keep them moist and there is no suffering.
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| energyman76b wrote: | well, have you ever dealt with very old people? you have basically force them to eat. And drink. Not eating (or not drinking) is not a problem for them. They don't care. That is why homes for the elderly have to watch and protocol how much the patients eat and drink. On their own they will starve&dehydrate themselves.
The only thing really that is hard on them (and freemies) are the dry orificies when thirsty. Keep them moist and there is no suffering. |
And newborns?
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| energyman76b wrote: | | Bigun wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | no, it is not. You might think that there is suffering involved.
Done right, there is no suffering. |
Do tell, how does one starve "correctly"? |
well, have you ever dealt with very old people? you have basically force them to eat. And drink. Not eating (or not drinking) is not a problem for them. They don't care. That is why homes for the elderly have to watch and protocol how much the patients eat and drink. On their own they will starve&dehydrate themselves.
The only thing really that is hard on them (and freemies) are the dry orificies when thirsty. Keep them moist and there is no suffering. |
Well then, if it's free of suffering, perhaps we should put you through this "painless" procedure and see if you're right.
Starving or dehydrating people on purpose is wrong, period. And it doesn't matter who pays for it; if you see human lives in terms of cash flow, you're a sociopath. |
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| sporkbox wrote: | | Starving or dehydrating people on purpose is wrong, period. |
That's for the government to decide. |
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| Lol, you must be a troll. No free thinking individual could possibly trust a government to make moral decisions. They're historically proven to be the least suitable for the job. |
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| sporkbox wrote: | | Lol, you must be a troll. No free thinking individual could possibly trust a government to make moral decisions. They're historically proven to be the least suitable for the job. |
Whether you trust them or not they are the only ones with the power to make legal decisions. |
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| aidanjt wrote: | | Thank God they weren't euthanised humanely, because that'd be wrong. :roll: |
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A government as small as possible is likely the only solution.
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| pjp wrote: | | aidanjt wrote: | | Thank God they weren't euthanised humanely, because that'd be wrong. |
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Is the size of government related to the size of the state? If so, the best government would be that of Vatican City.
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| This is bullshit! A small government does not have all the information necessary to reliably determine whom to kill and whom to let live. |
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| aidanjt wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | it is not murder nor is there negligence. |
When you malnourish and dehydrate someone to death, that's negligence. It may dodge the murder rap by being state sanctioned, but it's still homicide by neglect. |
It's not "someone"; it's just a fetus that happens to be outside the vagina. They don't become "someone" until they graduate kindergarten. Prior to that, it's the state's duty to put defective children to death, to protect them from suffering through a disadvantaged life, and to protect The Collective from wasting resources on it.
That's what the Spartans did; five town elders would look each newborn over, and if it didn't seem healthy and vigorous, it was killed. It worked pretty well for them; that's why they kicked pussy democratic, capitalistic Athenian ass, and non-showering Persian ass too. Don't believe me? Read Thucydides.
They should give the little non-person a quick opiate overdose and get it over with. Why torture the poor thing for 10 days?
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