no more user changeable cpu from intel???

energyman76b · Advocate Joined: 26 Mar 2003 Posts: 2022 Location: Germany

we shower because taking a bath is too wasteful. So there falls your pseudo argument apart.
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dmitchell · Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:29 pm Post subject:

The bottom line is that the optimal amount of waste is nonzero. Conservation efforts have diminishing returns; at some point additional conservation efforts are themselves wasteful. Once this is recognized we see that we aren't debating a principle, just what the right level of waste is. And of course the only sensible way to answer that question is the market, where people and usages must bid against each other in competition for scarce resources. In other words, I was right all along.
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dmitchell · Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:09 am Post subject:

You missed it.
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pjp · Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:14 am Post subject:

Oh, OK, the Bugatti post? I didn't miss it, I just didn't perceive it to be "all luxury purchases are waste" since it also mentioned leaving lights on, which I'm sure even poor people do.
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dmitchell · Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:51 am Post subject:

Well I'm sure he didn't mean to single out Bugatti. Rather Bugatti was meant to be representative of some class of goods, which I called luxury items.
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pjp · Posted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 1:01 am Post subject:

I interpreted it to be referring to behavior. "leaving lights on", "dumping garbage" and "drinking champagne from cans." Those all seem to be pointing out behaviors, though I don't understand what the last one involves (other than champagne), and dumping garbage isn't wasteful, just inconsiderate and potentially a hazard.
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BoneKracker · Veteran Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1488 Location: U.S.A.

If there wasn't utility in products and services (including champagne in cans, if it exists), then people wouldn't pay money for them. Enjoyment is a form of utility, and when you really boil things down all the way, it's the ONLY form of utility.

Now, trade-off decisions between relative marginal utility rates, that's a bit more complex than this black-and-white worldview, and it is essentially a recognition that the concept of "waste" is relative. You may throw a dime in a fountain, and I might consider that waste, and you'd disagree, and we'd both be right, but since it's your dime, I should shut the fuck up because none of my business.
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Clad in Sky · l33t Joined: 04 May 2007 Posts: 657 Location: Germany

I don't know what the champagne in cans is supposed to mean. But since cans are mostly just disposed off as waste (as in waste basket), whereas glass bottles are more commonly recycled (at least in Germany), I think it was meant as an example of how people needlessly waste resources.
The Bugatti was rather picked for its fuel consumption, I believe. There are cars that use up less fuel as far as I know.
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Prenj · n00b Joined: 20 Nov 2011 Posts: 7 Location: Mostar, BiH

If it can be recycled and keep it sustainable, it is not waste. If it can't it is.

That being said, fretting about how much water you use for showering in say, Sweden, because Sahara lacks water is idiotic. You are better off fretting about do you really need that new iPhone, when your old one is still working.

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padoor · Advocate Joined: 30 Dec 2005 Posts: 3911 Location: india

as usual with any post here in OTW this thread also has moved to very unrelated subject though arguments and comments are interesting
for me i cannot afford to waste elctronics ckts or water as they are really costly here.
we used to repair ckts and fittings if possible and re use the same equipment as long as possible.
water is just enough for our regular uses.
ofcourse i take 20 mnts hot shower but flow rate is 3 4 litres/minute.[our shower heads are smaller]

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pjp · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:36 am Post subject:

dmitchell · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:40 am Post subject:

Someone should point out that no one completely fills his bathtub. Probably half full is common. It's beside the point though. The point was that you're using more water than you need.
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eeyrjmr · n00b Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Posts: 37

non-issue
The OP was probably in reference to an increase in intel chips in tablets and phones, but decided to twist a decrease percentage in socketed CPU as a downward trend to zero
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