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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:41 pm    Post subject: no more user changeable cpu from intel??? Reply with quote

http://www.zdnet.com/intel-preparing-to-put-an-end-to-user-replaceable-cpus-7000008024/?s_cid=e539

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Intel 'preparing' to put an end to user-replaceable CPUs

Summary: Reports suggest that Intel is preparing to kill off PC upgrades by adopting the BGA rather than an LGA package for its upcoming Broadwell architecture processors. This is the beginning of the end for the desktop PC.


By Adrian Kingsley-Hughes for Hardware 2.0 | November 28, 2012 -- 11:55 GMT (19:55 SGT)


Yesterday, a report emerged claiming that Intel is planning to release its upcoming 14-nanometer Broadwell architecture processors as a ball grid array (BGA) rather than an land grid array (LGA) package.

This would have several widespread implications, including bringing to an end to processor (CPU) upgrades.


then amd will come up :)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Intel have been changing their sockets so often so it doesn't matter unless you want to upgrade CPU every few months.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a good thing. PC's have reached a point where fairly cheap rigs can play games like Crysis, and parts last for a pretty long time.

Enthusiasts and modders can find something else to beat up on.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Computers have become perishable items, with a shelf-life of about 2 years, maybe 3years. So, I don't really care if I have a CRU CPU. I'd rather have one of those cheap laptops, use them for about 2years and then throw away.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disposable consumption is a sad state of civilization.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disposable consumption is excellent.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. I wouldn't have guessed you to be in favor of waste.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

computers becoming disposable the hardware repairs people will have no job in future.
the OEM will have more control on the customers expenses on services
even the warrantee guarantee can also vanish sometimes soon.
we may have to buy things as is where is conditions sooner :x
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Wow. I wouldn't have guessed you to be in favor of waste.

If it's so cheap you can afford to use it and throw it away, then it isn't waste: it's abundance. I'm in favor of abundance.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is just amazing.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And computers are more than abundant.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The resources to make them are not unlimited.

We have a very limited supply of giant redwoods, but allowed to, the lumber industry would process all of them and move on to something else afterward. "Abundance" isn't a concern.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That is just amazing.

For most of human history, life's essentials were so scarce that if you wasted them, you starved. You probably starved anyway. Unsurprisingly, there was very little waste. You might look back on those times and think about the moral virtue of thrift. I look back on those times and think, "Life sure did suck. Disposable consumption is great!"
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And when scarcity arrives, some will look back and think how foolish and ignorant some of us were. Actually, they'll probably not be that selective.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're talking about rare-earth metals/minerals, then there's no reason to not reuse/recycle them. Most computer parts are now getting recycled for these anyway.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Local news covered a story about how many people had multiple old devices "stuck" at home. Certainly some recycling is going on, but I don't know how much. Especially given the "it is abundant, don't worry, be happy" attitude.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
dmitchell wrote:
pjp wrote:
That is just amazing.
For most of human history, life's essentials were so scarce that if you wasted them, you starved. You probably starved anyway. Unsurprisingly, there was very little waste. You might look back on those times and think about the moral virtue of thrift. I look back on those times and think, "Life sure did suck. Disposable consumption is great!"
And when scarcity arrives, some will look back and think how foolish and ignorant some of us were. Actually, they'll probably not be that selective.

I agree with you that dmitchell is foolish and ignorant.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And when scarcity arrives, some will look back and think how foolish and ignorant some of us were. Actually, they'll probably not be that selective.

If things become scarce, prices rise and people economize. If a price is low, then the good is abundant.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When it is scarce is too late.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

for copper it is too late already....
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in two minds about this.
On the one hand, this could lead to more waste.
On the other, I've never replaced a CPU on any of my computers. Memory, graphics card, HDD etc. are more important for me. But then, that's just me.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When it is scarce is too late.

Then you should start buying it up now. Buy low, sell high. And guess what that will do? Prices will start rising now before it's too late. That's what entrepreneurs do.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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On the other, I've never replaced a CPU on any of my computers. Memory, graphics card, HDD etc. are more important for me. But then, that's just me.

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CPU sockets do change quicker than CPU models (almost) , it is currently impossible to upgrade a CPU after some time ...
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True. I considered getting a new CPU. Couldn't find one for AM2+ socket, though. And that's AMD, who're changing less often compared to Intel.
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Then you should start buying it up now. Buy low, sell high. And guess what that will do? Prices will start rising now before it's too late. That's what entrepreneurs do.
Simply amazing. If that's what goes along with Government-without-government Anarchy, then you lost me as a possible supporter.
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