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The udev fork name |
udev-ng (current git name) |
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15% |
[ 3 ] |
udev-pg (previous generation/proper generation) |
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21% |
[ 4 ] |
openudev |
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10% |
[ 2 ] |
nudev |
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36% |
[ 7 ] |
eudev |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
gnudev |
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5% |
[ 1 ] |
udev-sane (sound like connected to the sane project IMHO) |
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10% |
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uguudev |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
devman |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
wedev |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
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szczerb Veteran
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 1709 Location: Poland => Lodz
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:44 pm Post subject: udev fork name poll |
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I'm sure some of you know about that just-now-starting (ok, it's been 4 days) gentoo project of forking (actually blueness took current udevsystemd git and is slicing systemd out of it) udev. The discussions take place in #gentoo-udev. There is no forums poll on the name and there is plenty of outside interest in the project.
So I thought we could have a poll here. There was a thread on the project in Gentoo Chat, but it got locked.
I'm liking the udev-pg (like udev-ng for vesa-ng, but pg seems better) and nudev/wedev.
Vote!
EDIT: The locked thread is https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-941466.html |
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szczerb Veteran
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 1709 Location: Poland => Lodz
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Actually the locked thread is a rant, but that's how I (and problably a lot of other) knew about the project. |
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aidanjt Veteran
Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 1118 Location: Rep. of Ireland
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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How about freeudev? As in poettering-free. _________________
juniper wrote: | you experience political reality dilation when travelling at american political speeds. it's in einstein's formulas. it's not their fault. |
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asturm Developer
Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 9250
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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moodev. |
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dmitchell Veteran
Joined: 17 May 2003 Posts: 1159 Location: Austin, Texas
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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wiiudev _________________ Your argument is invalid. |
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szczerb Veteran
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 1709 Location: Poland => Lodz
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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Actually the forums script made me cut the number of answers. Someone also proposed neudev besides nudev. Should've made it a on option. And I forgot about the "other". DAMN! |
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asturm Developer
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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goodev.
udeth.
Think about that. |
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ichbinsisyphos Guru
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 547
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=134929242315036&w=2
Quote: | TBH, I'd still prefer to see udev forcibly taken over and put into
usr/udev in kernel tree - I don't trust that crowd at all and the fewer
critical userland bits they can play leverage games with, the safer we are.
Al, that -><- close to volunteering for maintaining that FPOS kernel-side... |
This is incredibly entertaining
I voted for nudev, for no objective reason other than it makes clear that is a udev fork, is one of very few serious options and is not containing "-ng" (or "-pg" for that matter), because I hate that.
Btw, I mean all people involved are a little emotional and, well what the two dudes propose is really quite radical, but has anybody of you ever taken a deep breath and tried to look at the merits of such a change?
What I find the most dangerous is that it forces Linux through a bottleneck. If it gets implemented, it won't be possible to easily replace any of the components and we well be stuck with it forever.
But I do like the idea that init is unified across distros again ... now basically every distro has its own, for no good reason. |
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szczerb Veteran
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 1709 Location: Poland => Lodz
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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ichbinsisyphos, from what I've read (I've been on the channel since wednesday) they're after complete API compatibility of udev. Just with a free choice of init, keeping /usr etc.
And there is interest from Debian, Ubuntu. I think I've stumbled upon something even from some Fedora devs somewhere, although that seems weird given Red Hat is driving this madness. Anyway, I see it as a way to keep proper unification and modularity among most of the community. |
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Dr.Willy Guru
Joined: 15 Jul 2007 Posts: 547 Location: NRW, Germany
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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foodev |
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aCOSwt Bodhisattva
Joined: 19 Oct 2007 Posts: 2537 Location: Hilbert space
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szczerb Veteran
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 1709 Location: Poland => Lodz
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:16 am Post subject: |
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aCOSwt, not really. The braindamaged fork has been started some time ago (someone on #gentoo-udev counted 9 forks already) and in a different way. This new project is ripping systemd out of current udevsystemd tree with all commit history and is probably going to be accepted (if working) by the Gentoo council. The one you mentioned doesn't seem to have a chance of going into mainline. There is a technical difference of approach, but there is also a political difference that could give it sustainability. As an official Gentoo project and those have a chance of spreading. So if we go for a long-term solution, this seems to be the way. |
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McGruff Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Posts: 148
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:49 am Post subject: |
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dudev - udev for dudes |
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Prenj n00b
Joined: 20 Nov 2011 Posts: 16
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:56 am Post subject: |
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iDev
someone had to write it. |
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szczerb Veteran
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 1709 Location: Poland => Lodz
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:39 am Post subject: |
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Srsly? Just new names? (yes, I've seen the very few contributions to the poll).
I know that's it's not compliant (I don't remember to what, but I remember the generic design of the rules), but I thought that (my very first) poll would get some attention if it constituted such a serious matter. I've honestly migrated from Gnome to XFCE recently (besides the cool E17) because the "Gnome OS" vision is frightening.
Keep in mind those Lenovo workstations that only boot Windows and RHEL! |
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McGruff Tux's lil' helper
Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Posts: 148
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:58 am Post subject: |
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I vote nudev. |
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pjp Administrator
Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20476
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:15 am Post subject: |
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ewedev
udev-classic
udev-og
Or rename the original...
udev-wtf
pudev _________________ Quis separabit? Quo animo? |
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szczerb Veteran
Joined: 24 Feb 2007 Posts: 1709 Location: Poland => Lodz
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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pjp wrote: | ...
Or rename the original...
udev-wtf
pudev | Actually, I recall someone pointing out that there is no udev project anymore, as it has been assimilated by systemd, so the name is free |
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marens Apprentice
Joined: 05 Aug 2004 Posts: 173
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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this _________________ If English was good enough for Jesus, then it's good enough for you! |
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szczerb Veteran
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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As in "Larry the cow saved udev"? I like that. |
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marens Apprentice
Joined: 05 Aug 2004 Posts: 173
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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szczerb wrote: | As in "Larry the cow saved udev"? I like that. | exactly _________________ If English was good enough for Jesus, then it's good enough for you! |
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pjp Administrator
Joined: 16 Apr 2002 Posts: 20476
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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szczerb wrote: | I recall someone pointing out that there is no udev project anymore, as it has been assimilated by systemd, so the name is free :lol: | lol _________________ Quis separabit? Quo animo? |
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marens Apprentice
Joined: 05 Aug 2004 Posts: 173
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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bah, seems eudev won https://github.com/gentoo/eudev _________________ If English was good enough for Jesus, then it's good enough for you! |
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ichbinsisyphos Guru
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 547
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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I still prefer nudev, but whatever.
Now all that's left is to rename systemd to "usdev".
Let me explain:
The European Union is awesome and the US is nothing more than a pathetic piece of shit, just like systemd. |
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asturm Developer
Joined: 05 Apr 2007 Posts: 9250
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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bah, I will never emerge it then. |
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