Who Will Win the U.S. General Election on Tuesday?

pjp · Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:12 am Post subject:

I've learned how Obama won.

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BonezTheGoon · Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:51 pm Post subject:

Hope, Change, and Revenge!
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So says the man who can't let a thread about war go by without compulsively blurting out something about "ZOMG Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq!", or a thread about Palestine go by without compulsively blurting out something about Jews. Talk about knee-jerking. :roll:

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Anyone want to bet their avatar on the Florida result?
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BonezTheGoon · Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:45 pm Post subject:

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charly · n00b Joined: 05 Apr 2011 Posts: 14

Is it possible to resurrect a thread while it's on the first page? This thread is awesome. Especially seeing how Florida has showed that the election wasn't even close at 332 - 206
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BoneKracker · Veteran Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Posts: 1488 Location: U.S.A.

That depends on what you mean by "close".

Obama won a lot more states, most by a very narrow margin. So, in one sense, Romney was not even close to defeating him. But that's not news; he wasn't even close without counting Florida (and if Florida had gone the other way, he still wouldn't have been close).

Now that Obama has won, the electoral ballot is meaningless. The electoral ballot is not, and has never been, viewed as an indicator of the "validity" of a presidency or a measure of his political capital. For this purpose, people have always looked to the popular vote and approval polls. This is why they are saying he does not have much of a "mandate".

He is the President. That's settled by the electoral ballot, and that's all the meaning the electoral ballot has. What is important now about the election is that he was re-elected by only about 51% of voters. That means that almost half the population does not want him as president, and does not support what he's trying to do. This is very important because it means he's not in a position to try to make any major changes, unless he deviates wildly from the positions he currently espouses and makes a genuine effort (not lip service) at compromise.

He didn't have much of a mandate before, but he ignored that, and what ended up happening is that Democrats lost control of the legislature, which was critical (even more critical than have a Democrat in the White House) to bringing about the socio-economic change they wanted. Laws are made by Congress and budgets are allocated by Congress. Democrats would have got more accomplished if McCain had been elected but they had hung on to their veto-proof super-majority in the legislature.
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petrjanda · Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 2:28 am Post subject:

Obama won, Romney lost. Let it rest.

The 2 political parties in majority don't believe in the constitution, and until that gets changed, your country will continue on the downward slope. But rest assured you're not alone. Vast majority of countries are on the same slope.
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pjp · Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:17 am Post subject:

Every road trip needs some music... track one and two.
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