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aidanjt
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| Muso wrote: | | I hope you are simply trolling, because the so called "rich" (business owners etc) are the driving force behind job & wealth creation. They not only 'pull their weight', they also pull other people's weight. |
Nonsense. They simply satisfy consumer demand. Nothing more. Without consumers they'd be nothing, there'd be no jobs, and there'd be no wealth creation. It's the working people going about their business buying the things they need which creates wealth and drives everything.
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Muso
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| aidanjt wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | I hope you are simply trolling, because the so called "rich" (business owners etc) are the driving force behind job & wealth creation. They not only 'pull their weight', they also pull other people's weight. |
Nonsense. They simply satisfy consumer demand. Nothing more. |
Thank you. Now I know I can ignore everything you post about economics.
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aidanjt
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| Muso wrote: | | Thank you. Now I know I can ignore everything you post about economics. |
You demonstrate to me a non-trivial economy with rich dudes getting richer without any employees or consumers and I'll eat a turd sandwich.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| The way I see it, the middle class doesn't have money to spend unless they have employment. And, well, a lot of those "rich" people are businesses filing their taxes as a wealthy individual. It's called pass-through taxation. |
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big dave
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| Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| aidanjt wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | I hope you are simply trolling, because the so called "rich" (business owners etc) are the driving force behind job & wealth creation. They not only 'pull their weight', they also pull other people's weight. |
Nonsense. They simply satisfy consumer demand. Nothing more. Without consumers they'd be nothing, there'd be no jobs, and there'd be no wealth creation. It's the working people going about their business buying the things they need which creates wealth and drives everything. |
who writes your paycheck? |
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Who writes the employers' paychecks? Arguing solely for business interests is like the left hand arguing with the right hand over who does all the work. Balance...
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aidanjt
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| big dave wrote: | | who writes your paycheck? |
Who funds your paycheck's current account?
This line of reasoning is like saying because it's a spark-plug igniting the fuel-air mixture, it's therefore that particular spark-plug which powers the car. It's narrow-sighted nonsense.
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big dave
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| mcgruff wrote: | | Who writes the employers' paychecks? Arguing solely for business interests is like the left hand arguing with the right hand over who does all the work. Balance... |
please show me where i said there shouldn't be any balance. all i said is that this man doesn't have to employ people, and you can't make him. if obama is re-elected and this guy thinks he can make more profit elsewhere, he will fire people and invest elsewhere.
and there's nothing you can do about it. |
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| big dave wrote: | | mcgruff wrote: | | Who writes the employers' paychecks? Arguing solely for business interests is like the left hand arguing with the right hand over who does all the work. Balance... |
please show me where i said there shouldn't be any balance. all i said is that this man doesn't have to employ people, and you can't make him. if obama is re-elected and this guy thinks he can make more profit elsewhere, he will fire people and invest elsewhere.
and there's nothing you can do about it. |
And you don't know the French. |
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| big dave wrote: | all i said is that this man doesn't have to employ people, and you can't make him. if obama is re-elected and this guy thinks he can make more profit elsewhere, he will fire people and invest elsewhere.
and there's nothing you can do about it. |
Apparently the lefties think that slavery should be brought back.
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I'm of the opinion that he can do what he wants. But honestly, the outcome of an election shouldn't effect who he does and doesn't keep on staff. Policies that do or don't pass, however, should. This is a free country and he can do what he wants, within the federal worker's rights established. IE - anything not based on race, creed, sex, nationality, belief's, etc. But hey, if he wants to fire his staff if Obama get's elected, it's his foot.... let him shoot it.
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1) he'll be fine.
2) if he fires everyone I am sure it will based on obama getting elected, it will be a stupid decision.
3) what a dickhead. |
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| big dave wrote: | | mcgruff wrote: | | Who writes the employers' paychecks? Arguing solely for business interests is like the left hand arguing with the right hand over who does all the work. Balance... |
please show me where i said there shouldn't be any balance. all i said is that this man doesn't have to employ people, and you can't make him. if obama is re-elected and this guy thinks he can make more profit elsewhere, he will fire people and invest elsewhere.
and there's nothing you can do about it. |
i said he won't. hot air. |
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big dave
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| Bigun wrote: | | I'm of the opinion that he can do what he wants. But honestly, the outcome of an election shouldn't effect who he does and doesn't keep on staff. Policies that do or don't pass, however, should. This is a free country and he can do what he wants, within the federal worker's rights established. IE - anything not based on race, creed, sex, nationality, belief's, etc. But hey, if he wants to fire his staff if Obama get's elected, it's his foot.... let him shoot it. |
he's not firing his staff because obama's is elected... he's firing staff because obama wants to increase corporate tax rates to 60-70% from 30%+ |
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aidanjt
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| Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| big dave wrote: | | he's not firing his staff because obama's is elected... he's firing staff because obama wants to increase corporate tax rates to 60-70% from 30%+ |
Where did Obama announce any intentions to increase the corporate tax rate to 60-70%?
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| aidanjt wrote: | | big dave wrote: | | he's not firing his staff because obama's is elected... he's firing staff because obama wants to increase corporate tax rates to 60-70% from 30%+ |
Where did Obama announce any intentions to increase the corporate tax rate to 60-70%? |
he's repeatedly said he'll raise the base corporate rate to 39-44% and AMT to match work earned income rates. most C-corp shareholders (read: virtually all publicly traded stocks) will be paying 60-70% on corporate profit. |
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| big dave wrote: | | he's repeatedly said he'll raise the base corporate rate to 39-44% and AMT to match work earned income rates. most C-corp shareholders (read: virtually all publicly traded stocks) will be paying 60-70% on corporate profit. |
Where?
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| If you don't like social order of the things, start your own company and treat employers differently. |
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| jonnevers wrote: | http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/12/news/companies/ceo-no-layoffs-raises/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
herp derp derp derp.
instead of layoffs the guy gives more money pieces out. |
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| aidanjt wrote: | | jonnevers wrote: | http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/12/news/companies/ceo-no-layoffs-raises/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
herp derp derp derp.
instead of layoffs the guy gives more money pieces out. |
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it sucks to be right. Wait a sec, it doesn't
hot air, as i said. He would only move, as big dave said, if it is profitable. he was scaring people to vote the way he wants them to vote (1 vote, 1 person?). but in the end, he could be relied upon to be a greedy capitalist. |
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mcgruff
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A blowhard from the Trump school of windbaggery.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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the corporation pays 15-25%, and then the shareholder pays another 15-45% making the true corporate tax rate 30-70% depending on how it's structured. it's intellectually bankrupt to only count part of the tab. do you really like doublespeak that much that you need it to try and make a point? |
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| Plus a sales tax of 20% and a income tax of 30%, that's 120%! Damn, no wonder that corporations act up against this insanity! |
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