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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rangers generally dress in green or brown.

EDIT: The castle nut wrench came in today, so I can fasten the collapsible stock onto the lower receiver, whenever those get here. :?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What's the point?
Can you explain what you are doing here or do you not really know yourself?

You can not legally own the AR-15 in California, but this lower receiver bought separately is somehow not regulated? Because it is manufactured by a different company or what?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Edit this was aimed ay BKs previous post which was here a minute ago. He must not have been sure about the reception he would recieve for saying what he said. Don't worry man, ol' bogamol has got your back.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apparently it's legal if it's not a certain brand, and if you don't make it look like an assault rifle (e.g., no folding stock, no pistol grip, no flash suppressor). wswartzendruber indicates he is getting a folding stock though.

The laws are confusing. I think maybe wswartzendruber should consult an attorney, before he assembles this weapon and takes it out in public. :lol:

That's the nice thing about shotguns. They're legal just about anywhere, if you don't get all 'tactical' with it.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still say you should've got airsoft guns.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Harrot v. County of Kings (2001) 25 Cal.4th 1138 (PDF, 93K) was a California Supreme Court case that held essentially that a semiautomatic centerfire rifle could not be considered an Assault Weapon unless and until it had been specifically identified in section 30510 (old 12276) of the Penal Code, the California Code of Regulations, or the so called Kasler list as promulgated by the California Attorney General (current combined list). Further the rifle had to be identified by the Attorney General by both make and model. Harrot judicially moots the "series" language in Penal Code 12276 (a)(1), 12276 (a)(5), and 12276 (e). In 2006 the Attorney General lobbied for and helped pass AB-2728 to give up the ability to add firearms to the list of named Assault Weapons. In January of 2007, AB 2728 took effect. AB-2728 foreclosed the chance that the Attorney General would be required to open a new registration window.

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California also regulates semiautomatic rifles by features in Penal Code 30515 (old 12276.1) Generally, the Penal Code prohibits a semiautomatic rifle from having a detachable magazine and any one of a pistol grip, folding or telescoping stock, flash hider, forward pistol grip, or grenade launcher.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bogamol wrote:
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Edit this was aimed ay BKs previous post which was here a minute ago. He must not have been sure about the reception he would recieve for saying what he said. Don't worry man, ol' bogamol has got your back.

No, I was looking up some additional information. Apparently they pretty much quashed the California law against "assault weapons", but they have another law against semiautomatic rifles having pistol grips, folding stocks, etc. That is just plain stupid.

Regulating automatic fire, weapon caliber, etc., makes sense. This doesn't. They are basically regulating what a rifle can look like.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

;) ++

especially calibre. Any thing that is only capable of firing a little plastic bb should be illegal on the grounds that you'll shoot your eye out, kid.

Personally i think it should be legal to own a 80mm howitzer for example, but I dont think its unreasonable to say that the rounds can only be sold at licensed ranges for use at that range...Reloads should be illegal citing safety of firing a compromised case out of an artillery piece...otherwise people ought to able to have the shell casing when done firing it.

What about autofire though? Do you consider a bumper stock to be full auto...because on an AR you can use the recoil of the weapon to unpull the trigger and simulate rapid fire in a semi automatic weapon even without the bumperstock.

I guess now that I think about it --
Regulating autofire doesnt work because you can still rapid fire without it. And while I agree with regulating the ammo in some calibers I think even the biggest weapons with the most ridiculous calibers ought to be ownable.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The stock doesn't fold, it collapses to a length still compliant with California's minimum size requirements. Also, the magazine is not considered detachable because it requires a tool to engage the release button. Having that bullet button allows me to have a pistol grip.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/05/01/bullet-button-used-to-get-around-california-gun-laws/
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, I see. I thought you couldn't have any of the above. If that's the case, I'd give up the pistol grip for a detachable magazine.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An AR without a pistol grip looks gay. The bullet button does not.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2012 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
An AR without a pistol grip looks gay. The bullet button does not.

Who cares what it looks like? The point is how effective it is. Most rifle stocks (except lever-action) have the functional equivalent of a pistol grip already built in (or close enough). A sustained rate of fire depends on reload time, and being able to quickly drop a magazine and insert a new one is a big difference. "It looks 'gay'" is not a factor in determining whether your position got over-run or not.

I don't know how the law works, as far as "it's not an assault weapon unless it has X of the following" (I thought if it had any it was illegal), but here are those "assault weapon" features in order of priority, as I see it:
1. detachable magazine
2. flash suppressor
3. pistol grip
4. collapsable stock

However, I do understand that you are trying to create the facsimile of an AR-15, and for you, it's appearance is important.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
An AR without a pistol grip looks gay. The bullet button does not.

Don't ask, don't tell.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This came in the mail yesterday: Upper Receiver
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What will you shoot with that?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well first I'm gonna need to zero out the weapon with an appropriate calibration target.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Image moved. Hopefully it isn't the puppy.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
Image moved. Hopefully it isn't the puppy.

It's there now. It appears to be an actual calibration target.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, good. I was concerned it might actually be something else.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have javascript disabled, it erroneously says the picture has been deleted or moved. If you toggle it on, it erroneously then loads the first picture in the series, which is a sleeping puppy, not the target.

That's a police M-16 zeroing target array. They are used at close range. Unless the shooter is a very experienced marksman zeroing before combat, hunting, etc., zeroing should be done the first time with the weapon in a bench rest or (then the shooter can operate under the assumption that any inaccuracy is something they must correct in their technique). If you don't have access to one, just use sandbags until you can get access to one.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The USMC has everyone zero their own weapons in the standing, kneeling, sitting and prone positions. So that's four different zeros you have. You write the data (elevation, windage) on a piece of paper and store it in the stock. Their rationale is that everyone's zero is going to be different because each person has a different posture in each position.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's wrong with a simple bolt-action rifle? A Remington or something.

More powerful.
More accurate.
Beautiful.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also thinking of a Remington M24.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Remington 770 or 700. These are not very expensive.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2012 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.gaprecision.net/mil-spec-rifles/us-army-m-24.html

But more properly for a nostalgic Marine. http://www.gaprecision.net/mil-spec-rifles/m40a1.html
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