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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:52 am    Post subject: Obama FBI imprisoning cute anarchist girls Reply with quote

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In the final week of July, the FBI raided homes in Portland, Oregon, and issued grand jury subpoenas to activists in Portland and Olympia and Seattle in Washington.

Leah Plante eloquently described what happened in her statement:

"On the morning of July 25th, 2012, my life was turned upside down in a matter of hours. FBI agents from around Washington and Oregon and Joint Terrorism Task Force agents from Washington busted down the front door of my house with a battering ram, handcuffed my house mates and me at gunpoint, and held us hostage in our backyard while they read us a search warrant and ransacked our home. They said it was in connection to May Day vandalism that occurred in Seattle, Washington earlier this year. However, we suspected that this was not really about broken windows. As if they had taken pointers from Orwell’s 1984, they took books, artwork and other various literature as “evidence” as well as many other personal belongings even though they seemed to know that nobody there was even in Seattle on May Day…"

The raid came just over two weeks after Occupy Seattle organizers had been raided. In both raids, the FBI took books and the seizure of books was a result of the FBI’s interest in “anarchist literature.” It indicated the FBI was not interested in simply prosecuting those responsible for vandalism on May Day. The FBI was interested in casting a wide net to investigate anarchists and target them for their beliefs. more...

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lies. Obama supports OWSers.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FBI - fire brigade investigators.

USA. :lol:
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is pure harassment and malicious prosecution.
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A Freedom of Information Act request submitted by Lauren Regan, an attorney with the Civil Liberties Defense Center, uncovered a document showing the grand jury had been empaneled on March 2, 2012, two months before May Day and any property damage occurred.

On July 25, Plante was not one of the people subpoenaed, however, on August 2, she was issued a grand jury subpoena, along with another person, Dennison Williams.
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Plante refused to testify and was re-subpoenaed for August 30. Then, the date was pushed to September 13. On September 13, she was granted immunity and, as she said in her statement, she lost her right to remain silent and could now be thrown in jail for civil contempt.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having experienced first hand the behavior of the anarchists around here, I say leave the FBI out of it, and just allow the jerks to be hunted down and shot.

The Northwest branch of mental delusion (anarchy) are violent fuckers akin to rabid dogs.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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FBI - fire brigade investigators.

USA. :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Having experienced first hand the behavior of the anarchists around here, I say leave the FBI out of it, and just allow the jerks to be hunted down and shot.

The Northwest branch of mental delusion (anarchy) are violent fuckers akin to rabid dogs.

You mean like, as opposed to the Southwest branch, down there around Austin, Waco, etc.? :P
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The Whitaker Neighborhood variety here in Eugene are worthless violent fucks.

And any anarchist worth his salt has knowledge of the Whitaker Anarchists of Eugene.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never heard of them. Are they philosophers or merely hooligans?
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Never heard of them. Are they philosophers or merely hooligans?

They were behind the initial WTO riots.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene,_Oregon#Anarchism
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Never heard of them. Are they philosophers or merely hooligans?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Believe me, these are not peace loving hippies living a pipe dream.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so what does mcgruff have to say about this? it's obama's DOJ.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so what does mcgruff have to say about this? it's obama's DOJ.


what direct control does the president have over the fbi?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so what does mcgruff have to say about this? it's obama's DOJ.


what direct control does the president have over the fbi?

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The FBI (and the DHS in general) have been engaging in these anarchist witchhunts since before Obama took office. No wonder US politicians feel free to lie through their teeth, Americans have shorter memory and attention spans than goldfish. The 'anti-terrorism' monster is the creation of Congress, and it's up to Congress to slay it.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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so what does mcgruff have to say about this? it's obama's DOJ.


what direct control does the president have over the fbi?

Chain of command, just like the military.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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big dave wrote:
so what does mcgruff have to say about this? it's obama's DOJ.


what direct control does the president have over the fbi?


See one post up. But also consider how close Obama & Holder are. Were Holder an AG of any other administration, he would have long ago been fired for his gross incompetence, blatant racism, and fidelity to anything other than the constitution.

Holder should have been fired the minute he decided that white people do not deserve the protections of the DoJ in voter intimidation cases. But no, Obama doubled down on the racist prick.

Remember, Eric Holder was the guy who got Marc Rich pardoned.... Marc Rich was a tax dodger who personally gave money to Clinton (Clinton forced us honest, productive citizens to pay more taxes) so Clinton pardoned him on his last week in office. Really think about that.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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juniper wrote:
big dave wrote:
so what does mcgruff have to say about this? it's obama's DOJ.


what direct control does the president have over the fbi?


See one post up. But also consider how close Obama & Holder are. Were Holder an AG of any other administration, he would have long ago been fired for his gross incompetence, blatant racism, and fidelity to anything other than the constitution.

Holder should have been fired the minute he decided that white people do not deserve the protections of the DoJ in voter intimidation cases. But no, Obama doubled down on the racist prick.

Remember, Eric Holder was the guy who got Marc Rich pardoned.... Marc Rich was a tax dodger who personally gave money to Clinton (Clinton forced us honest, productive citizens to pay more taxes) so Clinton pardoned him on his last week in office. Really think about that.


Chain of command my ass. As of yet, I see no reason to pin this on obama. It's possible he didn't know anything about it. it is election season you. I am not saying he didn't, I just don't see evidence of this. Also, I do think that the fbi intimidation tactics are crazy.

presidential pardons are part of your insane system. why should the president have this power? and you are surprised when the president's friends get off with a slap on the wrist? For a country that seems to cry foul at king like powers, you often bark up the wrong tree. And don't bullshit me, EVERY president does this.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As of yet, I see no reason to pin this on obama. It's possible he didn't know anything about it.


The words you seem unable to find are "responsibility" and "leadership". He's in charge of the executive branch. He's the one who filled all of the positions with his people... his people that keep royally fucking up. The buck stops here isn't a quaint anachronism, it is the unofficial motto of the president.
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As of yet, I see no reason to pin this on obama. It's possible he didn't know anything about it.


The words you seem unable to find are "responsibility" and "leadership". He's in charge of the executive branch. He's the one who filled all of the positions with his people... his people that keep royally fucking up. The buck stops here isn't a quaint anachronism, it is the unofficial motto of the president.


look at the title of this thread. it really suggests that he had a much more direct influence on it. I call bullshit on that. I am not saying he shouldn't give holder a call and give him an ear full, but it is unlikely he ordered this. You do see that, don't you?

come on dmitchell, i don't expect this kind of propaganda from you.
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big dave wrote:
so what does mcgruff have to say about this? it's obama's DOJ.


what direct control does the president have over the fbi?


See one post up. But also consider how close Obama & Holder are. Were Holder an AG of any other administration, he would have long ago been fired for his gross incompetence, blatant racism, and fidelity to anything other than the constitution.

Holder should have been fired the minute he decided that white people do not deserve the protections of the DoJ in voter intimidation cases. But no, Obama doubled down on the racist prick.

Remember, Eric Holder was the guy who got Marc Rich pardoned.... Marc Rich was a tax dodger who personally gave money to Clinton (Clinton forced us honest, productive citizens to pay more taxes) so Clinton pardoned him on his last week in office. Really think about that.


Chain of command my ass. As of yet, I see no reason to pin this on obama. It's possible he didn't know anything about it. it is election season you. I am not saying he didn't, I just don't see evidence of this. Also, I do think that the fbi intimidation tactics are crazy.

presidential pardons are part of your insane system. why should the president have this power? and you are surprised when the president's friends get off with a slap on the wrist? For a country that seems to cry foul at king like powers, you often bark up the wrong tree. And don't bullshit me, EVERY president does this.

Your ass my ass. The President's hand-picked appointees run the various agencies of the executive branch, and they report directly to him and execute his policy. If the FBI is conducting questionable operations against nonviolent "anarchists" it's at the direction of his administration (himself or the people he hand-selected, who understand his intent, share his values, and do his bidding), which has shown the propensity (DHS first among them) to demonize and harass the traditional and perceived enemies of authoritarian socialism since Day 1 of his administration, when they put out that famous memo declaring Ron Paul supporters, military veterans, and conservative extremists to be enemies of the state (i.e., likely domestic terrorists).
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Your ass my ass. The President's hand-picked appointees run the various agencies of the executive branch, and they report directly to him and execute his policy. If the FBI is conducting questionable operations against nonviolent "anarchists" it's at the direction of his administration (himself or the people he hand-selected, who understand his intent, share his values, and do his bidding), which has shown the propensity (DHS first among them) to demonize and harass the traditional and perceived enemies of authoritarian socialism since Day 1 of his administration, when they put out that famous memo declaring Ron Paul supporters, military veterans, and conservative extremists to be enemies of the state (i.e., likely domestic terrorists).


it's the first time I have heard the president blamed for actions of the FBI. He clearly picked the head of the DoJ and should be held accountable for that, but not for a particular raid.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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look at the title of this thread. it really suggests that he had a much more direct influence on it. I call bullshit on that. I am not saying he shouldn't give holder a call and give him an ear full, but it is unlikely he ordered this. You do see that, don't you?

come on dmitchell, i don't expect this kind of propaganda from you.

The thread title was deliberately tongue-in-cheek and over-the-top. That said, I agree with BK and chop on chain of command and "the buck stops here." The FBI is in the executive branch. Unless it is also wrong to hold Obama accountable for e.g. his administration's contribution to the war on drugs, then I don't see anything wrong with holding him accountable for this.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not a particular raid; it's this administration's pattern of malicious, precrime harassment and intimidation of all agitators but their own. Nobody else has sent out Nation-wide law enforcement guidance declaring their political opponents to be enemies of the state, or had storm troopers battering down doors without so much as probable cause, based on unconstitutional wide-net eavesdropping capturing perfectly legal Internet posts that happen to piss them off because they argue against big government, authoritarianism, etc.

It's the kind of Big Brother bullshit that's the exact opposite of what the United States is supposed to be all about and that a lot of people have given their lives to prevent.
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