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richk449
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| notageek wrote: | | You didn't get the joke. |
Maybe you didn't get the joke. |
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notageek
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:32 am Post subject: |
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Maybe.
But my joke was better than yours.
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richk449
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| notageek wrote: | Maybe.
But my joke was better than yours. |
That's not saying much, since I didn't actually have a joke. I was just pretending I did, to cover up the fact that I didn't get your joke. So ha. |
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dmitchell
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If blackmail was legal, then this guy could have preserved his privacy.
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richk449
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| dmitchell wrote: | | If blackmail was legal, then this guy could have preserved his privacy. |
(1) Is that a good thing?
(2) How so? It wouldn't matter if blackmail was legal if the reporter wanted to out him. |
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dmitchell
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| richk449 wrote: | (1) Is that a good thing?
(2) How so? It wouldn't matter if blackmail was legal if the reporter wanted to out him. |
(1) Not for me to say. It's a matter of opinion.
(2) In that case it wouldn't matter. In other cases, it would (or might) matter.
Blackmail is weird. I guess it is legal to offer money in exchange for silence, but illegal to offer silence in exchange for money.
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bogamol
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| dmitchell wrote: | | richk449 wrote: | (1) Is that a good thing?
(2) How so? It wouldn't matter if blackmail was legal if the reporter wanted to out him. |
(1) Not for me to say. It's a matter of opinion.
(2) In that case it wouldn't matter. In other cases, it would (or might) matter.
Blackmail is weird. I guess it is legal to offer money in exchange for silence, but illegal to offer silence in exchange for money. |
seems like a bugger in negotiation...since one side cant make offers. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| dmitchell wrote: |
Blackmail is weird. I guess it is legal to offer money in exchange for silence, but illegal to offer silence in exchange for money. |
Money is exchange for silence is a bribe, not blackmail. |
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Muso
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| sikpuppy wrote: | | dmitchell wrote: |
Blackmail is weird. I guess it is legal to offer money in exchange for silence, but illegal to offer silence in exchange for money. |
Money is exchange for silence is a bribe, not blackmail. |
This reminds me of the marriage ~v~ prostitution angle. To offer money, security, and housing in exchange for sex is not only legal, but encouraged. But to simply offer money for something that is free to give away is illegal. Very odd.
Carlin nailed it... it's legal to sell stuff, it's legal to have sex.... but it's illegal to sell sex. WTF?
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| Muso wrote: | This reminds me of the marriage ~v~ prostitution angle. To offer money, security, and housing in exchange for sex is not only legal, but encouraged. But to simply offer money for something that is free to give away is illegal. Very odd.
Carlin nailed it... it's legal to sell stuff, it's legal to have sex.... but it's illegal to sell sex. WTF? |
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energyman76b
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| richk449 wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | pjp wrote: | | I think less of the outer than the outed. Completely separate from whether or not the outed should be investigated for criminal activity. I'm guessing his career is going to be impaired. |
how about the 'outer' - shouldn't that asshole be prosecuted? |
For what? |
personal rights? Or does your broken legal system does not have a concept like that?
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persönlichkeitsrecht_(Deutschland)
you can throw that into google trans... or not.
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richk449
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| energyman76b wrote: | | richk449 wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | pjp wrote: | | I think less of the outer than the outed. Completely separate from whether or not the outed should be investigated for criminal activity. I'm guessing his career is going to be impaired. |
how about the 'outer' - shouldn't that asshole be prosecuted? |
For what? |
personal rights? Or does your broken legal system does not have a concept like that?
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persönlichkeitsrecht_(Deutschland)
you can throw that into google trans... or not. |
Here is America, you can only be prosecuted for violating a law. Can people be prosecuted for violating "concepts" in Germany? |
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energyman76b
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| richk449 wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | richk449 wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | pjp wrote: | | I think less of the outer than the outed. Completely separate from whether or not the outed should be investigated for criminal activity. I'm guessing his career is going to be impaired. |
how about the 'outer' - shouldn't that asshole be prosecuted? |
For what? |
personal rights? Or does your broken legal system does not have a concept like that?
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persönlichkeitsrecht_(Deutschland)
you can throw that into google trans... or not. |
Here is America, you can only be prosecuted for violating a law. Can people be prosecuted for violating "concepts" in Germany? |
If I spit in your face in the USA - can you sue me or not?
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Libertardian denial of reality is wholly unimpressive and unconvincing, and simply serves to demonstrate what a bunch of delusional fools they all are.
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Satan's got perfectly toned abs and rocks a c-cup. |
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ichbinsisyphos
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| Persönlichkeitsrecht is somewhat unique to our parts of the world (it reminds me of this one criminal who wanted his name removed from Wikipedia after he had done his time - and the Yanks cried censorship!), but this case is not covered by it. |
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richk449
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| energyman76b wrote: | | richk449 wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | richk449 wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | pjp wrote: | | I think less of the outer than the outed. Completely separate from whether or not the outed should be investigated for criminal activity. I'm guessing his career is going to be impaired. |
how about the 'outer' - shouldn't that asshole be prosecuted? |
For what? |
personal rights? Or does your broken legal system does not have a concept like that?
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persönlichkeitsrecht_(Deutschland)
you can throw that into google trans... or not. |
Here is America, you can only be prosecuted for violating a law. Can people be prosecuted for violating "concepts" in Germany? |
If I spit in your face in the USA - can you sue me or not? |
"Sue" implies a civil proceeding, which seems unlikely for being spit on. However, I could press charges, and probably have you prosecuted for assault. |
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energyman76b
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and what is the difference to violate someone's privacy? or dignity?
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richk449
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| energyman76b wrote: | | and what is the difference to violate someone's privacy? or dignity? |
I am very confused.
(1) You are asking me what the difference is between spitting on someone, and violating someone's dignity? You can't see the difference yourself?
(2) Whether there is a difference or not is irrelevant, since you can only be prosecuted for violating a law. Either revealing someone's identity is against the law, or it isn't. If it isn't, then it doesn't matter what you think it is similar to. |
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energyman76b
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there is no difference. Spitting someone in his face is an attack on their dignity. Nothing else.
And as such it should be treated.
'Outing' someone is even a worse attack on their dignity. It should be punished harder.
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Muso
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| energyman76b wrote: | | there is no difference. Spitting someone in his face is an attack on their dignity. Nothing else. |
It's a physical assault.
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