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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
You didn't get the joke.

Maybe you didn't get the joke.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe.

But my joke was better than yours.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
Maybe.

But my joke was better than yours.

That's not saying much, since I didn't actually have a joke. I was just pretending I did, to cover up the fact that I didn't get your joke. So ha.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If blackmail was legal, then this guy could have preserved his privacy.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If blackmail was legal, then this guy could have preserved his privacy.

(1) Is that a good thing?
(2) How so? It wouldn't matter if blackmail was legal if the reporter wanted to out him.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
(1) Is that a good thing?
(2) How so? It wouldn't matter if blackmail was legal if the reporter wanted to out him.

(1) Not for me to say. It's a matter of opinion.
(2) In that case it wouldn't matter. In other cases, it would (or might) matter.

Blackmail is weird. I guess it is legal to offer money in exchange for silence, but illegal to offer silence in exchange for money.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmitchell wrote:
richk449 wrote:
(1) Is that a good thing?
(2) How so? It wouldn't matter if blackmail was legal if the reporter wanted to out him.

(1) Not for me to say. It's a matter of opinion.
(2) In that case it wouldn't matter. In other cases, it would (or might) matter.

Blackmail is weird. I guess it is legal to offer money in exchange for silence, but illegal to offer silence in exchange for money.


seems like a bugger in negotiation...since one side cant make offers.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dmitchell wrote:

Blackmail is weird. I guess it is legal to offer money in exchange for silence, but illegal to offer silence in exchange for money.

Money is exchange for silence is a bribe, not blackmail.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sikpuppy wrote:
dmitchell wrote:

Blackmail is weird. I guess it is legal to offer money in exchange for silence, but illegal to offer silence in exchange for money.

Money is exchange for silence is a bribe, not blackmail.


This reminds me of the marriage ~v~ prostitution angle. To offer money, security, and housing in exchange for sex is not only legal, but encouraged. But to simply offer money for something that is free to give away is illegal. Very odd.

Carlin nailed it... it's legal to sell stuff, it's legal to have sex.... but it's illegal to sell sex. WTF?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This reminds me of the marriage ~v~ prostitution angle. To offer money, security, and housing in exchange for sex is not only legal, but encouraged. But to simply offer money for something that is free to give away is illegal. Very odd.

Carlin nailed it... it's legal to sell stuff, it's legal to have sex.... but it's illegal to sell sex. WTF?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
energyman76b wrote:
pjp wrote:
I think less of the outer than the outed. Completely separate from whether or not the outed should be investigated for criminal activity. I'm guessing his career is going to be impaired.

how about the 'outer' - shouldn't that asshole be prosecuted?

For what?


personal rights? Or does your broken legal system does not have a concept like that?

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persönlichkeitsrecht_(Deutschland)
you can throw that into google trans... or not.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

energyman76b wrote:
richk449 wrote:
energyman76b wrote:
pjp wrote:
I think less of the outer than the outed. Completely separate from whether or not the outed should be investigated for criminal activity. I'm guessing his career is going to be impaired.

how about the 'outer' - shouldn't that asshole be prosecuted?

For what?


personal rights? Or does your broken legal system does not have a concept like that?

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persönlichkeitsrecht_(Deutschland)
you can throw that into google trans... or not.

Here is America, you can only be prosecuted for violating a law. Can people be prosecuted for violating "concepts" in Germany?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

richk449 wrote:
energyman76b wrote:
richk449 wrote:
energyman76b wrote:
pjp wrote:
I think less of the outer than the outed. Completely separate from whether or not the outed should be investigated for criminal activity. I'm guessing his career is going to be impaired.

how about the 'outer' - shouldn't that asshole be prosecuted?

For what?


personal rights? Or does your broken legal system does not have a concept like that?

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persönlichkeitsrecht_(Deutschland)
you can throw that into google trans... or not.

Here is America, you can only be prosecuted for violating a law. Can people be prosecuted for violating "concepts" in Germany?


If I spit in your face in the USA - can you sue me or not?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Persönlichkeitsrecht is somewhat unique to our parts of the world (it reminds me of this one criminal who wanted his name removed from Wikipedia after he had done his time - and the Yanks cried censorship!), but this case is not covered by it.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

energyman76b wrote:
richk449 wrote:
energyman76b wrote:
richk449 wrote:
energyman76b wrote:
pjp wrote:
I think less of the outer than the outed. Completely separate from whether or not the outed should be investigated for criminal activity. I'm guessing his career is going to be impaired.

how about the 'outer' - shouldn't that asshole be prosecuted?

For what?


personal rights? Or does your broken legal system does not have a concept like that?

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persönlichkeitsrecht_(Deutschland)
you can throw that into google trans... or not.

Here is America, you can only be prosecuted for violating a law. Can people be prosecuted for violating "concepts" in Germany?


If I spit in your face in the USA - can you sue me or not?

"Sue" implies a civil proceeding, which seems unlikely for being spit on. However, I could press charges, and probably have you prosecuted for assault.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

and what is the difference to violate someone's privacy? or dignity?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

energyman76b wrote:
and what is the difference to violate someone's privacy? or dignity?

I am very confused.

(1) You are asking me what the difference is between spitting on someone, and violating someone's dignity? You can't see the difference yourself?

(2) Whether there is a difference or not is irrelevant, since you can only be prosecuted for violating a law. Either revealing someone's identity is against the law, or it isn't. If it isn't, then it doesn't matter what you think it is similar to.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is no difference. Spitting someone in his face is an attack on their dignity. Nothing else.

And as such it should be treated.

'Outing' someone is even a worse attack on their dignity. It should be punished harder.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

energyman76b wrote:
there is no difference. Spitting someone in his face is an attack on their dignity. Nothing else.


It's a physical assault.
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