Debate: Biden vs Ryan

wswartzendruber · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:21 am Post subject:

I have this odd feeling that Biden's going get punked tomorrow for an hour and a half.

notageek · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:21 am Post subject:

Don't be so sure. Lightning doesn't strike twice.
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Muso · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:44 am Post subject:

mcgruff · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Posts: 137

Rookie Ryan v Old Hand Joe. I think we know how that's really going to turn out.

Rape-ublicans think they smashed the first debate and that'll only encourage them to continue lying like crazy. It'll backfire hard though if Biden and Obama start calling them out, quietly but forcefully.
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Muso · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:58 am Post subject:

Muso · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:37 am Post subject:

GabrielYYZ : Watch this
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mcgruff · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Posts: 137

Seriously there's nothing to see. It's a pseudo-intellectual "philosophy" of selfishness which appeals to green teenagers, psycopaths and general retards. I choose these words carefully. Randy An is to serious philosophy what Tolkien is to English Literature: an epic fantasy filled with dark and nasty creatures. If she was a Tolkien character she'd be firmly on the side of the "rugged individualism" of Sauron.

Hayek, Adam Smith, OK I can understand. But Rand..?! That's just embarrassing.
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GabrielYYZ · Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:22 am Post subject:

Prenj · n00b Joined: 20 Nov 2011 Posts: 8 Location: Mostar, BiH

Paul Ryan is getting smoked.

mcgruff · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Posts: 137

Yeah he just had a Dan Quayle moment: "oh now you're Jack Kennedy!"
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dmitchell · Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:18 am Post subject:

Biden sure is a bully. Both of these guys are totally full of shit.
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wswartzendruber · Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:21 am Post subject:

At first I thought Ryan was getting spanked. Then Biden started annoying me. It's like the guy's on laughing gas or something.

nomilieu · n00b Joined: 22 Nov 2011 Posts: 24

Yeah, I watched the first 45 minutes, thought Biden was doing better, then went out for a brisk trek around the lake.
I assume nothing worth watching happened in my absence.

I do prefer this moderator over the last one though.

dmitchell · Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:24 am Post subject:

Probably the best election debate question I've ever heard: "Aren't you embarrassed by all this?"
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Prenj · n00b Joined: 20 Nov 2011 Posts: 8 Location: Mostar, BiH

It was certainly ugly, which may be the strategy. Biden was dominant gorilla in the end, but thats as constructive as it gets.

wswartzendruber · Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:25 am Post subject:

Actually, Ryan just got off a nice salvo.

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Prenj · n00b Joined: 20 Nov 2011 Posts: 8 Location: Mostar, BiH

Thing about Biden, while he did way better then Obama, this end stuff about him being all for the middle class and not for Wall Street doesn't have any credit anymore.

Democrats are running with rethorics of what they should be about, but they are not. That's the conundrum

ratmonkey · n00b Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Posts: 14

Well at least this debate wasn't a total yawner like the first presidential debate. Ryan didn't fare too well. Pretty embarrassing when you consider that the competition spends most of his life with his foot in his mouth.

notageek · Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:36 am Post subject:

Biden kicked Ryan's ass.
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It was about what I expected. I think both of them argued their points reasonably well (both missed some obvious opportunities). Biden definitely made better use of non-verbal communication, though. In that regard, it was almost a reversal of the Romney / Obama debate. That aspect will weigh heavily with some, not with others (for example, I expect Biden resonated very well with seniors). He overdid it a little bit with the interrupting and sniping while Ryan was talking, and the whiny perception he wasn't getting equal time (which he was). That was especially inappropriate after Obama got 5 minutes more than Romney in the last one.

Between the two, I thought Ryan was more factually accurate, but that Biden did a better job of making the other guy look like he was lying, which is key to the Obama/Biden propaganda at this point.
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