HL2- source ?

Roguelazer · Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 1:38 am Post subject:

Hey, don't look at me for MP3's. I got relatives in the entertainment industry. I think that the pittance made by artists is kinda stupid, but I don't buy CD's anyhow. I got what I need.
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gwydion · Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 2:27 am Post subject:

NitroPye · Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 2:49 am Post subject: Thoughts on a native client

The moral issues I will not comment on that really.

But I do think a port of this would be very hard. Looking at the source it includes half-life1 as well. There is also a lot of other source that valve obviously paid for like the directx9 and 8 sdk, and various "Copyright Intel Corporation" headers here and there.

There are well over 10,000 source files so a project of this size would require a team, and organizing a team would require the internet or some other form of organizing unless you know of 5 to 10 crack directx and opengl coders. Any attempt to organize a team to port this would be smacked with a Cease and Desist in a matter of minutes.

I honestly thirst for a native client and it makes me very sad knowing I cannot play it, and I do think valve is one of the DUMBEST companies around for having the source tree of a priceless more then 7 years of work code base even thinking about touching the internet. I won't get into the half-life 1 mac port ugh... or the other stupid annoying moves valve has made.
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Raiko · n00b Joined: 09 Sep 2003 Posts: 61

Accidents happen. You can't blame everything on Valve. It's kinda like blaming a bank robbery on the bank for not having <insert item, service, etc. here>.

A port isn't possible because A). The source is stolen.. therefore if anything was released, the person would get nailed. B). Sending changes to Valve and showing them a port is possible = nailed even easier. C). Doubt you'll ever get Valve to agree to anything involving a port. They do linux server apps and thats it. A client would be a pain in the ass for them to do since it's heavily Windows dependant and they don't have the time/money to port it over. I personally wouldn't do it either. Would someone like to guess how much a port to linux would cost Valve? Im guessing a few hundred thousand atleast.

A native client would be nice, but it isn't going to happen.

Panick007 · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Posts: 95

The DirectX SDKs are a free download from Microsoft's MSDN website. The Valve code just included the library files for linking anyway, so no problem there. And there are a little over 7600 files there, not 10,000. But considering that some of it is TF2, HL1, and CS code there might not be a whole lot of HL2 code.

There is some code from the Havok physics system and Miles sound system that was definitely licensed though. It sounds like Valve has worked out whatever issues they had to with those companies though so that is some good news (i.e. they aren't going to get sued).

And I doubt very much that this will affect the HL2 sales in any way shape or form. There are rumors that all the resource files were also taken (1.3 gigs of them) but I wouldn't touch them with a ten meter cattleprod, what with the code being in the wild that would be asking to have your box backdoored.

Didn't mean to sound so harsh in my last post but I have seen so much BS from people on this issue. All over if you admit that you did in fact download and look at the code you get chastised by a bunch of people who just pulled Underworld and Korn's latest album off of Kazaa on their warez'd copy of Corporate Windows XP. People need to grasp a little bit of reality. :roll:

NitroPye · Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 3:21 am Post subject:

Panick007 · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Posts: 95

The latest news over this whole thing is that Gabe Newell now says that the code base that was taken was only a "small portion" of the code. Now that's interesting because there are a lot of people that have gotten it to compile into a useable executable (they can even make their own maps with the included Worldcraft code and run around in a box with all their friends, yay). But maybe the hacker didn't pull all of the neccessary shader files or something. So maybe a port wouldn't even be workable with whats there.

And since when is 170+ megs and a few million lines of code considered "small"? :lol:

NitroPye · Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 3:50 am Post subject:

I have not been able to get it to build with the included bat files. A friend has visual studio 6 installed onto XP professional and they are giving the old "command not found" deal for msdev and some others. I am missing something but what?
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Panick007 · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Posts: 95

wishkah · Guru Joined: 09 May 2003 Posts: 441 Location: de

I just read at a german online news-services (http://www.golem.de/0310/27796.html) that they are pushing the release back to april 2004 (!!!).

I guess there's gonna be some serious head-rolling and flame-waring in the next weeks...
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Panick007 · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Posts: 95

blueworm · l33t Joined: 09 May 2003 Posts: 962

No body reads the EULA
everybody downloads Mp3
Everyone rips off Windows
Stop bieng so Self-righteous
The world is not black and white...
There is NEVER EVER going to be a Halflife port...
End of story.
Moderator lock this thread it has gone too far!

bakgwailo · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 31 May 2002 Posts: 113

ok... I don't see how this has gone to far, I actually think its a pretty nice debate on the legality of the source code, but, what ever, lock it if you must
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NitroPye · Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 9:14 pm Post subject:

pi314 · Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:13 pm Post subject:

Yinchie · Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:17 pm Post subject:

I do agree with blueworm

All his points are correct.

And yup, there will never be a Linux port of Half-Life.
This is a fact

btw. Half-Life 2 beta is out on the internet, not legal. (dont ask me where to get it.)

pi314 · Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2003 10:35 pm Post subject:

NitroPye · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 1:46 am Post subject:

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NitroPye · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 5:25 am Post subject:

I dont want to give them the satisfaction, but I do want to give myself the satisfaction of playing the game.

Stupid decisions.
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pi314 · Posted: Wed Oct 08, 2003 10:15 pm Post subject:

right

maybe I should better say: "Illegal from the point of view of some big industrialist"

Panick007 · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Posts: 95

If someone wants to play it on Linux bad enough it'll get ported (probably in some sort of hacky half-assed manner) then it'll appear in a torrent somewhere and no one will touch for fear that it's a rootkit.