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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you keep it, then? In your case, it's just an added layer of complexity.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Since I am obviously doing such a poor job articulating my views

The OTW-aCOSwt syndroma... Probably.
Watch it ! , I understand you well but a particular subset of contributors won't.

The only error you make is... to try to convince contributors belonging to this subset. :wink:
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I will attempt to explain them more clearly.

Your only chance would be to acquire some phase shift...

(BTW, if you succeed, don't disclose the sign of the phase shift you applied, often, people take offense...)
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are you guys even on Gentoo? When were you ever forced to run PulseAudio? That's not what I'm talking about. This is for those who would want to run PulseAudio. ALSA, as it is, is fine. Nobody should force you to run PulseAudio. I, on the other hand, like it. But I think it could be done more efficiently.


you make broad claims - but suddenly it is just gentoo?

Come on, I expect better from you. There is not one good reason to cripple alsa just because pulseaudio is running. Pulseaudio that is gradually forced down everybody's throat.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, I think I see where you're coming from. There are two use cases I'm thinking of:

ALSA Only

This is already in place and functioning very well.

PulseAudio Server with ALSA Applications

ALSA in the user space would no longer be necessary. The PulseAudio daemon would talk directly to the kernel. ALSA applications would make use of the virtual ALSA device that PulseAudio already exposes. This would require extensive changes to PulseAudio, but would also eliminate an entire layer of plumbing.

In short, if you don't want to cripple ALSA just because PulseAudio is running, don't run PulseAudio. You have a choice in this matter.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
Why do you keep it, then? In your case, it's just an added layer of complexity.
It doesn't cause me any problems so far (and it's been quite a while), so I just can't be bothered to get rid of it.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem with udev was and still is that, it works well, and apparently the developers don't like that.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The problem with udev was and still is that, it works well, and apparently the developers don't like that.
Ha ha ha ha ha. Good joke. Unless of course you equate "prevents system from booting" with "works well".
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why did they make this change, anyway? That's the part I never caught.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dE_logics wrote:
The problem with udev was and still is that, it works well, and apparently the developers don't like that.

What a masterpiece of sarcasm :D
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just like to be sincere for a moment. What went wrong? Since /dev got hijacked, I kind of lost focus..The only good thing I can see of it, we should endorse, the rest, screw it.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it ain't broke, fix it 'till it is.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember all those jokes about how systemudevpulseaudiod would have a webserver built into it? Those jokes have now come true. Also included is a qrcode generator, because... well, because.

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/169082
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pigeon768 wrote:
Remember all those jokes about how systemudevpulseaudiod would have a webserver built into it? Those jokes have now come true. Also included is a qrcode generator, because... well, because.

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/169082
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I so hope that Al Viro is going to fork udev. The only man Linus seems to respect.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wildhorse wrote:
pigeon768 wrote:
Remember all those jokes about how systemudevpulseaudiod would have a webserver built into it? Those jokes have now come true. Also included is a qrcode generator, because... well, because.

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/169082
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8O Only to listen on localhost ! :? 8O :roll:
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, it's official, he's a kook.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would it ever need httpd capability in order for one to get logs. Also, even if the minimal version is going to simply depend on an external logging daemon, why would they specify a particular one and not simply pump information where you configure it to?

It seems like systemd has become The Blob.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://plus.google.com/115547683951727699051/posts/g1E6AxVKtyc
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

szczerb wrote:
I started using it when trying to use the sink on my server (which is connected to the Hi-Fi) with a source on my laptop. Failed at that and gave up.

On one hand I'm still using it without issues, but on the other it doesn't give anything more then ALSA would on it's own :/

Five years of wasted end-user and admin effort, heartaches and upheavals for that, consolekit (which doesn't work), policykit (ditto) and xml config parsers in system-daemons? Poettering must die! ;p

If it all it gives you is the same as ALSA does, I'd get rid of it as useless bloat.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Styx<TMF> wrote:
https://plus.google.com/115547683951727699051/posts/g1E6AxVKtyc

What a jackass.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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szczerb wrote:
I started using it when trying to use the sink on my server (which is connected to the Hi-Fi) with a source on my laptop. Failed at that and gave up.

On one hand I'm still using it without issues, but on the other it doesn't give anything more then ALSA would on it's own :/

Five years of wasted end-user and admin effort, heartaches and upheavals for that, consolekit (which doesn't work), policykit (ditto) and xml config parsers in system-daemons? Poettering must die! ;p

If it all it gives you is the same as ALSA does, I'd get rid of it as useless bloat.
I start to have problems I will - right now getting rid of it would fixing what ain't broken, wasted effort.

I also use Gentoo at work and use bare ALSA, obviously.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
Styx<TMF> wrote:
https://plus.google.com/115547683951727699051/posts/g1E6AxVKtyc

What a jackass.


somebody voices a different opinion - being nice and everything - and he is first insulted and then blocked/banned.

What an asshole.

Reminds me of the groklaw posse. If you dared to say something unpopular or even (GASP!) critized PJ they just deleted your account. Discussion? Not wanted.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What a jackass.

Yeah, it's like every time he sets forth a position, he talks complete and utter sh*t. The amount of contradictions is amazing; he goes from saying "this is better than a separate syslogd machine as there's no infrastructure required" to "this does need an offline machine to do the verification" in two sentences.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pigeon768 wrote:
Remember all those jokes about how systemudevpulseaudiod would have a webserver built into it? Those jokes have now come true. Also included is a qrcode generator, because... well, because.

Finally, we are not lucky !
Instead of working for Readhat, this guy could have been burning EEPROMS at AMI or PHOENIX...
That way... we would not even need to boot our systems...
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That way... we would not even need to boot our systems...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splashtop#Splashtop_OS

Like that?
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