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BoneKracker
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Yeah, there's another bullshit talking point: Romney doesn't have plan, but Obama does? Obama's plan is to spend even more money we don't have. He claims he's going to pay for this with the Money saved by no longer being at war in Iraq and winding things down in Afghanistan. But that's nothing but a shell game; there is no "money being saved", because it was all being financed by deficit spending. Also, while "investments" in infrastructure, education, etc., are always necessary, they are not the short term solution required to put people back to work on permanent jobs within a year or two.
So, what he's really saying is that he wants to use the economic crisis he has been dragging out as an excuse to continue deficit spending at its current, treasonously high levels, and not reduce deficit spending associated with the wars.
Additionally, we aren't saving much by having completed withdrawal from Iraq and 'de-surging' Afghanistan. We are paying for all those Afghan soldiers and having them take over security and operations against the Taliban. We've replaced troops in Iraq with tens of thousand of contractors, and tens of thousands of the troops who were in Iraq are not "home" but have moved across the border into Kuwait, redeployed to Afghanistan, or sent other places like Yemen, the Sinai, or the Mediterranean.
So this is a myth -- a lie -- just like when he said he was going to pay for all his new spending by cutting elsewhere and it never happened. It's just an excuse to keep using our credit card and burying us all under a mountain of debt.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | Yeah, there's another bullshit talking point: Romney doesn't have plan, but Obama does? Obama's plan is to spend even more money we don't have. He claims he's going to pay for this with the Money saved by no longer being at war in Iraq and winding things down in Afghanistan. But that's nothing but a shell game; there is no "money being saved", because it was all being financed by deficit spending. Also, while "investments" in infrastructure, education, etc., are always necessary, they are not the short term solution required to put people back to work on permanent jobs within a year or two.
So, what he's really saying is that he wants to use the economic crisis he has been dragging out as an excuse to continue deficit spending at its current, treasonously high levels, and not reduce deficit spending associated with the wars.
Additionally, we aren't saving much by having completed withdrawal from Iraq and 'de-surging' Afghanistan. We are paying for all those Afghan soldiers and having them take over security and operations against the Taliban. We've replaced troops in Iraq with tens of thousand of contractors, and tens of thousands of the troops who were in Iraq are not "home" but have moved across the border into Kuwait, redeployed to Afghanistan, or sent other places like Yemen, the Sinai, or the Mediterranean.
So this is a myth -- a lie -- just like when he said he was going to pay for all his new spending by cutting elsewhere and it never happened. It's just an excuse to keep using our credit card and burying us all under a mountain of debt. We've had four years of that, it didn't work as promised, we cannot afford any more, and it's time for a different approach. |
Indeed. Shock, horror... Obama is a lying piece of shit with zero understanding of basic arithmetic.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| Muso wrote: | Biden Implores Obama To 'Rub One Out' Before Debate
| Quote: | | DENVER—Noting that tonight’s debate against Mitt Romney would last a full hour and a half, Vice President Joe Biden reportedly urged President Obama to “rub one out” so that he could “get pussy off the mind” before taking the stage at 9 p.m. Eastern time. “Look, Barry, you need to keep your head in the game up there, and you sure as shit can’t focus if you’ve got a full load flaring up inside you,” said Biden, telling Obama he should feel free to think about the first lady, “Jill [Biden], or whoever pops into your head while you’re polishing the ol’ Capitol dome.” “Hell, I must’ve yanked the crank a good eight or nine times before my debate with Sarah Palin back in ’08…and a few times after, too, if you catch my drift.” At press time, sources reported seeing the president enter a private bathroom with Biden’s “rare and always reliable” January 1979 edition of Playboy. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2012 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | Yeah, there's another bullshit talking point: Romney doesn't have plan, but Obama does? Obama's plan is to spend even more money we don't have. He claims he's going to pay for this with the Money saved by no longer being at war in Iraq and winding things down in Afghanistan. But that's nothing but a shell game; there is no "money being saved", because it was all being financed by deficit spending. Also, while "investments" in infrastructure, education, etc., are always necessary, they are not the short term solution required to put people back to work on permanent jobs within a year or two.
So, what he's really saying is that he wants to use the economic crisis he has been dragging out as an excuse to continue deficit spending at its current, treasonously high levels, and not reduce deficit spending associated with the wars.
Additionally, we aren't saving much by having completed withdrawal from Iraq and 'de-surging' Afghanistan. We are paying for all those Afghan soldiers and having them take over security and operations against the Taliban. We've replaced troops in Iraq with tens of thousand of contractors, and tens of thousands of the troops who were in Iraq are not "home" but have moved across the border into Kuwait, redeployed to Afghanistan, or sent other places like Yemen, the Sinai, or the Mediterranean.
So this is a myth -- a lie -- just like when he said he was going to pay for all his new spending by cutting elsewhere and it never happened. It's just an excuse to keep using our credit card and burying us all under a mountain of debt. We've had four years of that, it didn't work as promised, we cannot afford any more, and it's time for a different approach. |
Pretty good post until the last sentence, at which point you started to sound like a Romney commercial. :lol:
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He is a Romney commercial.
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| Quote: | Romney lashes out against good economic news
Poor Mitt. Good news makes him miserable, doesn't it? After hitting double-digits at the height of the Great Recession, the unemployment rate is now at its lowest point since January 2009. Things are getting better, but all he wants to do is convince you that they're getting worse—because his bucket list depends on it. |
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| Quote: | Romney’s Biggest Lie of All: A $5 Trillion Tax Cut For the Rich Will Create Jobs
One of Willard Romney’s contentions is that President Obama is responsible for the unemployment numbers, and he has promised America that if he is elected president, his tax $5 trillion tax cuts for the wealthy will spur job creation and boost the economy. He even touted his job creation prowess while he was head of Bain Capital, and he was responsible for creating jobs, in China, and earning a tax break in the process, but it came at the expense of Americans’ jobs that continues to contribute to the 8% unemployment rate and slow-growing economy. However, his persistent claims that President Obama is responsible for the unemployment picture is part of his pathological lying, and if he were honest, he would point to his party’s obstruction as to why millions of Americans are out of work; but then he could not sell George W. Bush’s trickle down fantasy. Since it is a fact that giving more tax break entitlements to the wealthy and eliminating regulations does not boost job creation, it is worth looking at what Republicans have done over the past three-and-a-half years to create jobs. The short answer is absolutely nothing and in fact, the GOP is responsible for retarding job growth they began planning on inauguration night 2009. |
http://www.politicususa.com/romneys-biggest-lie-all-5-trillion-tax-cut-rich-create-jobs.html
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| Don't make me go insane with Rush Limbaugh threads... |
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| Quote: | Entering Stage Right, Romney Moved to Center
Mr. Romney ran to the right in the Republican primaries in 2008 and this year, describing himself this winter as having been a “severely conservative” governor. This week, he pivoted to the center, as many political analysts had long expected him to do, seeking to appeal to more centrist general election voters. In doing so, Mr. Romney used striking new language to describe his policy proposals on taxes, education and health care in ways that may assuage independent voters — but which may be sowing confusion about how Mr. Romney would govern. |
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/us/politics/entering-stage-right-romney-moved-to-center.html?hp&_r=0&_r=0
Willard does not believe in anything. He will say what ever it takes to get elected.
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Politicians play to their base in the Primaries, while going mainstream in the General.
Meanwhile the sun rose on the eastern horizon this morning.
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| sugar wrote: | | wswartzendruber wrote: | | Don't make me go insane with Rush Limbaugh threads... |
Chop's been posting plenty of Rush. |
1 post, as a response to your barrage of leftist drivel, is not plenty.
| wswartzendruber wrote: | | Don't make me go insane with Rush Limbaugh threads... |
Please do. At least they are interesting, unlike the DailyKOS, DU, Talking Points Memo, and all of sugar's other daily brainmush.
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| dmitchell wrote: | | Pretty good post until the last sentence, at which point you started to sound like a Romney commercial. |
You're right. Deleted.
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| sugar wrote: | | Quote: | Entering Stage Right, Romney Moved to Center
Mr. Romney ran to the right in the Republican primaries in 2008 and this year, describing himself this winter as having been a “severely conservative” governor. This week, he pivoted to the center, as many political analysts had long expected him to do, seeking to appeal to more centrist general election voters. In doing so, Mr. Romney used striking new language to describe his policy proposals on taxes, education and health care in ways that may assuage independent voters — but which may be sowing confusion about how Mr. Romney would govern. |
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/us/politics/entering-stage-right-romney-moved-to-center.html?hp&_r=0&_r=0
Willard does not believe in anything. He will say what ever it takes to get elected. |
Your other posts (snide trolling remarks with citations from bullshit sources) aren't worthy of response.
As to this one: it's not so much that Romney moved to center as inevitable reconciliation of the Democrat portrayal of Romney being a right wing extremist. For example, he has never "gone around the country promising a $5 trillion tax cut to be funded by increased taxes on the middle class". That's just the Obama campaign's propaganda coming back to haunt.
Having said that, it is, partially, Romney moving his espoused positions toward center. This should be no surprise to anybody. Every political candidate since the dawn of democracy has done this. First they have become champion of their party, then they must appeal to a broader coalition. Obama did it so blatantly and egregiously four years ago that they had to create a new version of his website.
That's when I started joking about his use of the phrases, "let me be perfectly clear", and "as I've consistently said" -- phrases that became like mantras for him, because changed virtually every position he started out with, either"
- after the primaries / during the debates;
- once he got elected and started immediately and furiously working to reduce expectations; or
- once people got on his case for failing to fulfill some promise or meet some expectation
For Christ's sake, Obama started out as the Anti War, Anti Presidential Power candidate, and look where he ended up!
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| Quote: | Presidential Debate Aftermath: Mitt Romney Wins All-Important BS Contest
I didn't watch the debate – I just couldn't. I read it in transcript form afterwards. I know it is widely believed that Mitt Romney won, but I don't agree. I think both candidates lost. I think they both sucked. Romney told a series of outright lies – the bit about the pre-existing conditions was incredible – while Barack Obama seemed unaccountably disinterested in the intellectual challenge of the exercise, repeatedly leaving the gross absurdities hurled his way by Romney unchallenged.
Romney's performance was better than Obama's, but only if you throw out criteria like "wasn't 100% full of shit from the opening bell" and "made an actual attempt to explain who he is and what his plans are." Unfortunately, that is good enough for our news media, which drools over the gamesmanship aspects of these debates, because it loves candidates who sink their teeth into the horse-race nonsense that they think validates their professional lives.
For instance: in my local paper, the Star-Ledger in New Jersey, I read an analysis entitled, "Romney's debate performance was presidential game changer, analysts say."
The unnamed authors of this analysis delivered a blizzard of sports metaphors about Romney's performance. "It's a new race for the White House," they said, after Romney "changed the game with an aggressive, confident performance" – needed, because "Obama's forces had hinted earlier that all they needed from the debate was one good punch to knock Romney out," after the challenger "spent the summer and early fall stumbling." |
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/presidential-debate-aftermath-mitt-romney-wins-all-important-bs-contest-20121005#ixzz28UiK7TSd
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DailyKOS, TPM, Rolling Stone... no wonder your opinions come across as so... uninformed.
You receive nothing but a leftist perspective. The difference between you and I (aside from income, intellect, wisdom, manliness, sexual prowess, and musical ability) is that I don't just read leftist drivel. I read leftist drivel, right wing drivel, North Korean propaganda, Chinese news sources, Japanese sources (right/left/center/religious), Eurotrash, middle Eastern news, Israeli (right/left/center), and numerous other sources. My opinions are not manufactured as yours are. I come to my conclusions via thought.
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| Muso wrote: | DailyKOS, TPM, Rolling Stone... no wonder your opinions come across as so... uninformed.
You receive nothing but a leftist perspective. The difference between you and I (aside from income, intellect, wisdom, manliness, sexual prowess, and musical ability) is that I don't just read leftist drivel. I read leftist drivel, right wing drivel, North Korean propaganda, Chinese news sources, Japanese sources (right/left/center/religious), Eurotrash, middle Eastern news, Israeli (right/left/center), and numerous other sources. My opinions are not manufactured as yours are. I come to my conclusions via thought. |
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| I think it's time I got busy writing a shell script. Hrm... I'll need to scrape RushLimbaugh.com for this and figure out how to authenticate into these forums. |
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Fail, Troll. 
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:facepalm:
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It's amazing how resistant to information some people are.
Just one example, Romney claimed 50% of businesses in the loan program had failed. In fact over 90% are still operating. Is it really OK for a prospective president to lie through his teeth like that? Seriously? Some seem to think so.
PS: cut the troll crap.
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