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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:40 pm    Post subject: Samuel Jackson Snakes on a Bane Reply with quote

Say: "hell no!" muthaf*ckahs.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lame :lol:
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wake the F*ck Up! - A Rebuttal
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It didn't really merit a rebuttal. All it did was to serve to remind everyone that it's not hip any more to be a naive Obama supporter. All the comments on youtube were from people mocking it or ranting about how hard Obama sucks.

I don't know to whom this was intended to appeal, but it would be my guess they didn't test it on a focus group consisting of other than Obama campaign zombies before they decided to put it out. :lol:
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
It didn't really merit a rebuttal. All it did was to serve to remind everyone that it's not hip any more to be a naive Obama supporter. All the comments on youtube were from people mocking it or ranting about how hard Obama sucks.

I don't know to whom this was intended to appeal, but it would be my guess they didn't test it on a focus group consisting of other than Obama campaign zombies before they decided to put it out. :lol:


indeed. the intended audience is a mystery to me too.

I am also not keen on the message; frankly, it's obama enthusiasts that need to wake the &$^% up. People hate Mitt, and he deserves it. But, there is still a love affair going on with obama that isn't deserved.*

* that being said, I wouldn't vote Mitt.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obama is the right man for the times. He'll try to be as progressive as he can be, but he's also willing to compromise. It's not his fault he's been left in charge of a dysfunctional political system and a looted economy. At least we've got someone sane, balanced and rational in the White House. It could be a hell of a lot worse.

I'm not convinced he really knows how to bring about a strong recovery, but then I'm not sure if anyone can. It's going to take time and we'll probably have to wait for another Clinton presidency.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Obama is the right man for the times. He'll try to be as progressive as he can be, but he's also willing to compromise. It's not his fault he's been left in charge of a dysfunctional political system and a looted economy. At least we've got someone sane, balanced and rational in the White House. It could be a hell of a lot worse.

I'm not convinced he really knows how to bring about a strong recovery, but then I'm not sure if anyone can. It's going to take time and we'll probably have to wait for another Clinton presidency.


I am much lighter or obama re economy than republinuts. I see no evidence that they have a better idea.

I am pissed at obama not for that, but for his illiberal record. the kill list, pakistan (note I am not mentioning libya, i don't think america or obama wanted in on that) etc.

however, would that make me vote romney? No. he clearly isn't going to support my ideas. that's why I understand blah obama voters a lot more than gung ho romney ones.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I am much lighter or obama re economy than republinuts. I see no evidence that they have a better idea.


Really? How about not blowing trillions on a "stimulus" that didn't stimulate shit aside from government unions? That money was taken out of the productive section of the economy, added to debt (which weakens the dollar and the economy as a whole because more money is needed just to pay the interest on the damn debt), and accomplished nothing of value. The same fiscal problems that the so called 'stimulus' went towards still exist, but now there's a trillion dollars simply added to the national debt. Stopping that sort of stupidity is already a stroke of genius that any child who can do arithmetic could figure out.

Reducing regulations, reducing all taxes, slashing government... this would fix so much of what ails the nation.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The stimulus was actually a great success (and didn't go far enough) but I don't doubt you will never understand that so long as you live. Take a look at the UK some time to see what happens to deficits when you slash spending in a recession.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Reducing regulations, reducing all taxes, slashing government... this would fix so much of what ails the nation.

and you think romney will make any of that happen? or anyone that gets elected as the USian president?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Muso wrote:
Reducing regulations, reducing all taxes, slashing government... this would fix so much of what ails the nation.

and you think romney will make any of that happen? or anyone that gets elected as the USian president?


Did I say that? That is the necessary fix.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The stimulus was actually a great success (and didn't go far enough)


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Wow, you're a very special person.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anything is better than Obama. Obama has been an abject failure, haplessly wasting four years and trillions of dollars engaging in populist demagoguery and delivering virtually nothing he promised and none of what was needed of him, and instead, delivering only radically increased debt, authoritarianism, and corporatist corruption. Obama promised "Hope & Change", and he delivered the status quo, only worse.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
Anything is better than Obama. Obama has been an abject failure, haplessly wasting four years and trillions of dollars engaging in populist demagoguery and delivering virtually nothing he promised and none of what was needed of him, and instead, delivering only radically increased debt, authoritarianism, and corporatist corruption. Obama promised "Hope & Change", and he delivered the status quo, only worse.

This will be true until 4 years from now, when "Anything is better than [x]" ( insert whoever wins the upcoming USian election ).

both primary campaigns are being sold of "Hope and Change". Obama's been all the things listed above, without any real change.
But Romney has stated *nothing* that indicates he has 1) a thought out plan and 2) a worthwhile plan that will lead to more prosperity.

so slam obama all you want, you will anyway but "anything is better then obama" is a vote for Hope and Change in the current race. somewhat ironic.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Reducing regulations, reducing all taxes, slashing government... this would fix so much of what ails the nation.


didn't the first one, largely done by clinton, get you into this mess? glad that you are so sure in your convictions.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Reducing regulations, reducing all taxes, slashing government... this would fix so much of what ails the nation.


didn't the first one, largely done by clinton, get you into this mess? glad that you are so sure in your convictions.


What Clinton did with the CRA (a regulation put in place by Carter) was one of the biggest contributors to the mess. A government regulation absolutely destroying the economy.

So to answer your snide remark, no. Clinton did not do what I am advocating, quite the opposite really.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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both primary campaigns are being sold of "Hope and Change". Obama's been all the things listed above, without any real change. But Romney has stated *nothing* that indicates he has 1) a thought out plan and 2) a worthwhile plan that will lead to more prosperity.

Actually, Romney has laid out a plan in far greater detail than Obama (who is mumbling pretty much the same bullshit he said 4 years ago and didn't do). This fact will not stop the left from pretending he has not, and it won't make the "mainstream" media provide any coverage of it.

They would rather simply repeat the mantra that Romney is going to raise taxes on the middle class and give tax cuts to millionaires, which is a lie and has been debunked by all but the most left-leaning fact checkers.

It takes a basic lack of understanding of how fiscal policy influences investor, consumer, and corporate behavior to believe Romney has no plan or that his plan in any way resembles what Obama claims.

What Romney proposes is what Obama should have done, but Obama doesn't see fiscal policy in those terms; he sees it through an entirely different lens, focused on only one dimension of it -- as wealth redistribution, so he has entirely neglected using it to spur economic recovery. Instead, he has focused on trying to secretly increase taxes (e.g., Obamacare and other unfunded obligations and deferred tax increases), as a means of increased redistribution.

In general, Obama has allowed the economy to wallow and stagnate and focused almost entirely on "spreading the wealth". His only ostensible effort to spur economic recovery, his $800 billion "stimulus", was really just an excuse to effect more wealth transfer, and that's why it failed. He pissed it away slowly to keep government from shrinking and to fund social programs, rather than using it wisely and quickly to stimulate the economy.

We can talk all day about what we believe, but one thing is patently obvious and undeniable: Obama has had four years to marshal economic recovery and he has failed. Now, when the economy is bad, socialist reforms are more accepted, so maybe he failed on purpose; but fail he did.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This time the Captain of the Titanic did save the ship but, because he didn't set a new transatlantic record, you claim he failed.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This time the Captain of the Titanic did save the ship but, because he didn't set a new transatlantic record, you claim he failed.

Faulty analogy. He and the Democrat-controlled legislature negligently wasted nearly a trillion dollars he borrowed on our backs to halt the rise of unemployment and bring it down to a reasonable level, instead squandering it.

Independent analysis at the time (when unemployment was around 8%) showed it was likely to rise to as much as 10%, and that he should have been able to inject that capital into the economy and prevent unemployment from rising above 8.5%. And, that was his sales pitch for getting approval to borrow and spend the extra trillion dollars.

Had that happened, we'd be back to normal by now. Instead he abused it, failing to stimulate the economy in the short term, allowing unemployment to rise to nearly 12%, causing a protracted period of low demand for labor, and driving another 11% of the population out of the workforce on a presumably permanent basis.

A monkey with a rubber stamp could have done better. He either fucked it up, or he intentionally kept unemployment high to add fuel to the fire of his left-wing populist demagoguery. You tell me which.
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Obama is the right man for the times. He'll try to be as progressive as he can be, but he's also willing to compromise. It's not his fault he's been left in charge of a dysfunctional political system and a looted economy. At least we've got someone sane, balanced and rational in the White House. It could be a hell of a lot worse.

I'm not convinced he really knows how to bring about a strong recovery, but then I'm not sure if anyone can. It's going to take time and we'll probably have to wait for another Clinton presidency.


Wow. I grew up in a socialist country and had marxism in school, but I never knew anybody that fooled. Obama is projecting to be that, but in fact he is every bit as bad as Bush.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's not his fault he's been left in charge of a dysfunctional political system and a looted economy.

Uhm, it kind of is. He volunteered for the job, remember? Campaigned pretty fucking hard for it, as I recall. He could have been a regular father, spending his time with his wife and kids. Instead he decided to backseat his family and grab the ring of power. Don't fucking tell me it wasn't his fault.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

He chose to be captain of the Titanic when it had just hit an iceberg and was taking on water. His performance should be judged on that basis. Staying afloat was about all that could be expected. The blue riband was never on the cards.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, he's anything but "willing to compromise".

True story:

When I was about 20, I rode home from a Christmas party with two friends. All three of us were trashed. The friend who owned the car (a big old piece of junk) was driving.

About a mile into the trip, it became obvious he couldn't handle it. My other friend, who was in the front with him, started asking, then telling, him to pull over and switch drivers. My Driving Friend refused, slurring that it was his car and he could handle it.

Passenger Friend demanded that he pull over. Driver Friend refused. Passenger Friend grabbed the wheel and tried to guide the car over to the side of the road. Driver Friend got the wheel in a death grip and struggled with him. The car swerved back and forth. They were shouting and swearing at each other. I was also yelling for him to pull over.

I will never forget what followed.

Driver Friend, wide-eyed and crazed, threatened, "I'LL WRECK IT!!!" 8O :lol:

Passenger Friend let go of the wheel, and while we two were in stunned silence for a moment, Driver Friend repeated himself, loudly, like a mad man: "I'LL WRECK IT!!!", and swerved toward the ditch for a second as though to make his case.

I was like, "Holy Shit." I then demanded that he pull over and let me out of the car. Two girls who were also at the party, pulled over behind us. They had been following us home, because they lived nearby and had the sense to know we might not make it home safely. I got a ride with them, and we tailed the other guys.

Not a half mile later, I witnessed the car go suddenly swerve, then go decisively off the road into the snow-filled ditch, my two friends leap out of their respective doors like Starsky and Hutch, and start beating the fuck out of each other until Passenger Friend subdued Driver Friend by slamming him bodily onto the trunk of the car.

The next day, the guy who was driving apparently didn't remember any of it and emphatically denied everything, and swore to God that Passenger Friend and I had attacked him for no reason and put the car in the ditch.

This is a true story. But, whenever people talk about Obama supposedly "negotiating" or "compromising", I automatically think of my Driver fFriend shouting, "I'll wreck it!" and then emphatically denying it the next day.
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