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Do you have a dread or hatred of Islam and therefore, a fear and dislike of all Muslims
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is no flip side.

Religion is evil. Islam is one of the most evil out there. Even worse than that death-cult based one called 'catholicsm'
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Religion is just insanely stupid, political and subversive way of exploiting humans need to comprehend and map out "everything" and have control over future (the bi-product of self-awareness and realisation that you are gonna die one day). It comes with various degrees of depraved and stupid, and Islam is pretty fucked up.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Isn't a person's character made up partly by their beliefs? And more significantly if those beliefs are a strong "guide" for how to live and treat others?


absolutely. I couldn't agree more.

An individual chooses his beliefs willingly, and so he, and only he, can be held accountable for his actions, especially those based on his beliefs, religious or otherwise.
Agreed. So I don't "blame" all Christians for doing stupid things. But when a person aligns themselves with, say, the Westboro Baptist Church, I don't need to know the individual's character. They've demonstrated enough by voluntarily choosing to follow that church's teachings.

So someone following violent teachings of a church which claims to be Islamic receives the same consideration. Modern Christianity has largely renounced violence, so it isn't reasonable to associate most Christians with a few violent sects. Conversely, a few non-violent Islamists shouldn't be mixed in with the mostly violent teachings of the rest of Islamists.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Islam is one of the most evil out there. Even worse than that death-cult based one called 'catholicsm'
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Words, their usage and meaning change.


via deconstructionism. Which is a sick and evil thing in and of itself.
At least we're not speaking Elizabethan. \o/ evil deconstructionism.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The real "Islamophobes" are the PC brigade scrota who want to appease them because they're afraid of them and naively think they won't immediately move down the list to the next of a million reasons to despise and hate us and want to subjugate or kill us. You see, we are kuffars and infidels.


It's not what we hate that will ruin us, but what we love.

I'm shocked. You actually made a halfway intelligent point without trolling. Congratulations.

However, this another false dichotomy, and the real world isn't that simple. Why must it be one or the other? Why not both? Why not both, in conjunction, interacting with each other many complex ways?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, now there seems to be an islamist bounty of 100.000 on the head of the 'producer' of that 'movie' - by some Pakistani minister... religion is bad.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you forward pious-sounding and alarm-bell-ringing e-mails that trumpet (IN LOTS OF CAPITAL LETTERS WITH EXCLAMATION POINTS!) the evils of Islam, that call your fellow evangelicals and charismatics to prayer and “spiritual warfare” against those alleged evils, and that often - truth be told - contain lots of downright lies, you might be an Islamophobe.

My Take: It’s time for Islamophobic evangelicals to choose

You might, rabbit, you might.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irrational behavior is rarely phobic. These attempts to portray certain behavior as phobic are transparently base assertions.

If something is irrational, explain exactly how it is irrational. Don't hide behind some claim that it's a "phobia".

That's just as bad as a claim that something is "blasphemy" or "heresy".
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn't a phobia an irrational fear of something?

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a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Isn't a phobia an irrational fear of something?

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a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.

Yes, but not all "irrational fear of something" is a phobia.

Technically, the definition is correct, but it leaves too much room for misinterpretation. It's too likely that people will describe a "rational fear of something, based on inaccurate beliefs" as an "irrational fear of something"; and they are mutually exclusive.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"rational fear of something, based on inaccurate beliefs"

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's too likely that people will describe a "rational fear of something, based on inaccurate beliefs" as an "irrational fear of something"; and they are mutually exclusive.


Pretty much.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Irrational fear based on willful ignorance seems more likely.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Irrational fear based on willful ignorance seems more likely.


how about rational fear of dogma based on irrational doctrine?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prenj wrote:
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Irrational fear based on willful ignorance seems more likely.


how about rational fear of dogma based on irrational doctrine?


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With the caveat of numerous people acting on that doctrine. Since 9/11/2001, there have been 19,648 deadly terror attacks carried out by Islamic terrorists.
Buddhists, Jains, Hindus, Jews, Christians and Pagans are saintly in comparison.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Irrational fear based on willful ignorance seems more likely.


how about rational fear of dogma based on irrational doctrine?


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With the caveat of numerous people acting on that doctrine. Since 9/11/2001, there have been 19,648 deadly terror attacks carried out by Islamic terrorists.
Buddhists, Jains, Hindus, Jews, Christians and Pagans are saintly in comparison.


Well, let's not compare civilian casualties of terrorist attacks vs civilian casualties for profit, oilgrabbing and reelection. Also note that most civilian casualties in last 2 decades in Europe are victims of right-wing extremism, and regional terrorists organisations (read christians).

I just object 7th century world view.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, let's not compare civilian casualties of terrorist attacks vs civilian casualties for profit, oilgrabbing and reelection.


Apples & Oranges. If you wish to compare purely political casualties, that's a separate conversation. If you wish to compare corporate malfeasance, that is a sparate conversation.

The discussion is about religion... and no religion on Earth is more deadly than Islam. Islam is a death cult.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, let's not compare civilian casualties of terrorist attacks vs civilian casualties for profit, oilgrabbing and reelection.


Apples & Oranges. If you wish to compare purely political casualties, that's a separate conversation. If you wish to compare corporate malfeasance, that is a sparate conversation.

The discussion is about religion... and no religion on Earth is more deadly than Islam. Islam is a death cult.


Only because if you are victim of Newspeak where there is War on Terror to spread Democracy (lol). Religion or ideology, it doesn't really matter, you have a dogmatic set of ideas that sound great on paper (to those comforming to it), but in reality are death cult to non-conformant, and slavery for non-priviledged followers.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, let's not compare civilian casualties of terrorist attacks vs civilian casualties for profit, oilgrabbing and reelection.


Apples & Oranges. If you wish to compare purely political casualties, that's a separate conversation. If you wish to compare corporate malfeasance, that is a sparate conversation.

The discussion is about religion... and no religion on Earth is more deadly than Islam. Islam is a death cult.


Only because if you are victim of Newspeak where there is War on Terror to spread Democracy (lol).


The only victim here is the one who refuses to see the true evil of the most murderous death cult the world has ever seen. Islamism makes the Thuggee cult look like UNICEF.

Religion is one aspect. Mixing religion with another destructive ideology (like Stalinsim) is a different calculus all together. When comparing "apples to apples", you must compare apples.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, let's not compare civilian casualties of terrorist attacks vs civilian casualties for profit, oilgrabbing and reelection.


Apples & Oranges. If you wish to compare purely political casualties, that's a separate conversation. If you wish to compare corporate malfeasance, that is a sparate conversation.

The discussion is about religion... and no religion on Earth is more deadly than Islam. Islam is a death cult.


Only because if you are victim of Newspeak where there is War on Terror to spread Democracy (lol).


The only victim here is the one who refuses to see the true evil of the most murderous death cult the world has ever seen. Islamism makes the Thuggee cult look like UNICEF.

Religion is one aspect. Mixing religion with another destructive ideology (like Stalinsim) is a different calculus all together. When comparing "apples to apples", you must compare apples.


You are talking about "death cult".

The world death we don't need to argue about. Let's consider the word "cult".

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Definition of CULT

1: formal religious veneration : worship

2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents

3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents

4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>

5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad
b : the object of such devotion
c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion



According to http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cult

If you expand "5a) great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book);" it is apparent that "american way of life", or "pax americana" is an idea, hence the cult.

I'd argue that USA is more of a death cult then Islam.

It's still stupid religion, like most of them are.

Watch this guy talking about CIA. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvZQa0hkfgw
Way more deadly and devious then Al Qaeda ever could be.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you have now compared an conspiracy theorist's concept of the CIA with Islam...


:lol:


If the CIA were 1/2 as competent as you think, the USA would never have even the hint of a threat from the outside.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So you have now compared an conspiracy theorist's concept of the CIA with Islam...


:lol:


If the CIA were 1/2 as competent as you think, the USA would never have even the hint of a threat from the outside.


He's not a "conspiracy theorist" he's a "conspiracy journalist". A whistleblower. Theory is a theory, hes talking about facts. Also calling for "conspiracy theory" is a symptom of brainwashing by Newspeak media. It's ok, many germans back in the days thought that the Jews were scum and Judaism an abomination, and that Fascism is way forward. Fascism is way more subtle and evolved since then, it's not even known by that name anymore.

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So now you compare me to a Nazi!


Really nice, Prenj.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So now you compare me to a Nazi!
Really nice, Prenj.


No I don't. I compare Neocons to the Fascists. You are just the poor german that wants to get along, but his government doesn't go that way.

Also, Fascism is not the same thing as Nazism.


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The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.


as defined by Franklin D. Roosevelt.

I think you won't have hard time grasping the concept of government owned by private interests (banks and corporations), NSA spying on US citizens without warrants, Police enforcing the will of the Government, not protecting the people, and so on and so on.

So congratulations, you live in fascist state, in everything but a name, which is what I was refering to that it has evolved and dropped the name tag and became subversive.
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