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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:53 am    Post subject: Is Obama a Socialist? Reply with quote

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“We have nothing against Obama personally. We do not accuse him of going into politics solely in pursuit of fame and fortune. He started out with the best of intentions, hoping that one day he might be able to do something to make the world a better place. Our aim is to show how the capitalist class, who exercise real power in our society, corrupt and co-opt well-intentioned young people like Obama, how capitalism frustrates and corrodes even the noblest aspirations.”


http://www.amazon.com/World-Socialist-Review-22-Party/dp/1460920430/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1307141539&sr=8-2
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is Obama a Socialist?

Yes.

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Is the sky blue?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously socialist
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muso wrote:
Obviously socialist


No, he's not.

In fact, the chapter headings sound a lot like the things you prattle on about.

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Obama: The Brand and the President

Marketer of the year
History of PR
The father of spin
Obama's slogans
Sock-puppets
Paint by numbers
Duplicity on climate change
Politicians in the goldfish bowl

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sugar wrote:
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Obviously socialist


No, he's not.


Yes he is.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Obviously socialist


No, he's not.


Yes he is.



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In this book the World Socialist Party of the US (WSPUS) takes on the task of refuting the common belief among misinformed individuals that President Obama is a socialist. For most educated socialists this goes without saying, but many political neophytes, most of those on the “right”, and even some on the so called “left” have absorbed this Goebbels-style propaganda put out by right-wing blowhards. In the process of dispelling this misconception of socialism the authors also tell the true story of Obama and his actual views, contrasting them with socialism


http://libertyandsocialism.org/2011/08/19/review-of-world-socialist-review-22/
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

People might start out with socialist ideals, but if they start making lots of money they tend to get a bit tight-fisted. Happened to a great deal of the so called baby-boomers.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obama, the unguarded useful socialist idiot.

You can try to spin this, but it's socialist.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if he's a socialist, marx is rolling in his grave.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Obama, the unguarded useful socialist idiot.

You can try to spin this, but it's socialist.


then you don't know what a socialist is.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Romney spent half of his life investing in export of jobs. Thus he stated only 47% of the american population is dependend on the welfare state as of now.

As failing presidents mostly resort to their personal strength in a state of failure - the rest of the world welcomes Mr. Romney :)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
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Obama, the unguarded useful socialist idiot.

You can try to spin this, but it's socialist.


then you don't know what a socialist is.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To some people Ronnie Reagan and everything leftward is socialist. Possibly even communist. They're not too sure about Romney either.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

while I do highly doubt he is, remind me, why would it be bad if Obama were a socialist?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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then you don't know what a socialist is.


BINGO! When has O ever suggested that workers own the means of production? NEVER!

However, the American way of politics is like football. You pick a team and cheer for them, while the ruling class manipulates the populace to keep us divided & powerless, so they are free to do as they wish while we are distracted with soclialism finger pointing. So you have idiots who can not be bothered to consult a dictionary in order to learn what the term 'socialism' actually is. These same idiots can't distinguish the difference between 'socialism' and 'socialized services' (like EMS, fire, police) etc due to self-imposed ignorance as to what socialism is. What mindless lapdogs they are, lapping up the propaganda of the ruling class without thought, reason, nor question. They are too happy to blindly accept whatever the media tells them. So if the media says O is soclialist, no thought nor research is required to mindlessly agree.

All one need do is trace the clients of the last law firm Holder worked for, to understand why he is in the position that he is in. If the ruling class had wanted Romney to be given the presidency, all Romney need do is run against HOLDER, not Obama, and promise to remove Holder from office and prosecute the mega-banks for their fraud, which is the real cause of present state of our economy, not socialism. But if you notice, the Republicans aren't mentioning so much as one word as to why Holder is in the position he is in, because the Republicans are every bit the FASCISTS that the Democrats are and will not dare bite that hand that feeds their election campaigns.

So the next election is already purchased for O (as was the last one), who must keep Holder in office long enough for the statute of limitations to run out on the megabank fraud. Romney was chosen precisely because he can not & must not win. No Republican has ever been elected without the fundagelicals & the fundagelicals won't get behind a mormon cultist with magic underwear and three extra bibles.

O is FASCIST, not socialist, as every politician who runs for higher office MUST BE.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mdeininger wrote:
...why would it be bad if Obama were a socialist?

It isn't.
He's still the president of the USA.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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O is FASCIST, not socialist, as every politician who runs for higher office MUST BE.


no, politicians exist to protect the interests of the bourgeois.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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no, politicians exist to protect the interests of the bourgeois.


My apologies for incorrect use of the word fascist. You have stated what I was getting at better than I did. In the US, the state exists to further corporate interests. Politicians will not be given campaign dollars to purchase political office, unless they also agree the state exists to further corporate interests and are willing to work towards that very goal.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I can tell Obama is a social democart, but seeing how the US has already fucked up on the term 'liberal', you might aswell call him a socialist.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anyNiXwilldo wrote:
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no, politicians exist to protect the interests of the bourgeois.


My apologies for incorrect use of the word fascist. You have stated what I was getting at better than I did. In the US, the state exists to further corporate interests. Politicians will not be given campaign dollars to purchase political office, unless they also agree the state exists to further corporate interests and are willing to work towards that very goal.


yes.

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In the mainstream, the debate over how to resolve the crisis is between two alternatives. The first is to just let things collapse so the economy undergoes the necessary correction, restoring profitability and eventually returning the system to business as usual. The second is that the central banks should continue to print money and the state bail-out bankrupt banks and countries and so on, so that ‘business as usual’ is not disrupted by potentially catastrophic upheavals (as was the case in the Great Depression of the 1930s). The debate is between the needs of business, on the one hand, and the need to preserve social cohesion (for the needs of business) on the other.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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From what I can tell Obama is a social democart, but seeing how the US has already fucked up on the term 'liberal', you might aswell call him a socialist.


I prefer Mario Demokart myself.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have trouble believing that.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anyNiXwilldo wrote:
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then you don't know what a socialist is.


BINGO! When has O ever suggested that workers own the means of production? NEVER!


O'RLY?

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The AWU's, (UAW), received a 17% ownership stake in GM, (65% in Chrysler), in lieu of the money GM owed for union health and pension commitments. At the time this equated to about 40 cents on the dollar, but in reality stock shares could be sold at levels that would not only make the health and pension funds whole - but possibly generate a profit. *Note: Unions made an initial stock sale, (a portion of their shares), right after the IPO, at a rate that generated a $4 billion profit to the funds

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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anyNiXwilldo wrote:
juniper wrote:

then you don't know what a socialist is.


BINGO! When has O ever suggested that workers own the means of production? NEVER!


O'RLY?

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The AWU's, (UAW), received a 17% ownership stake in GM, (65% in Chrysler), in lieu of the money GM owed for union health and pension commitments. At the time this equated to about 40 cents on the dollar, but in reality stock shares could be sold at levels that would not only make the health and pension funds whole - but possibly generate a profit. *Note: Unions made an initial stock sale, (a portion of their shares), right after the IPO, at a rate that generated a $4 billion profit to the funds


great example :roll:

according to that article Bush is also a socialist as he started the bailout procedure.

so, who isn't a socialist in the United Socialist States of America?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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while I do highly doubt he is, remind me, why would it be bad if Obama were a socialist?


It would be bad, because it would mean he is an idiot.
It would mean that someone with no understanding of economics is at the helm.

I love the counter-arguments so far though;

He isn't a socialist.
You don't know what socialist means.
There is nothing wrong with being a socialist.
And Bush was a socialist too!
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