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I'm not sure if 19 Dems makes for bi-partisan support, really.
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| aidanjt wrote: | | I'm not sure if 19 Dems makes for bi-partisan support, really. |
That is bi-partisan. Unlike Obamacare with 0 GOP votes.
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| Muso wrote: | | That is bi-partisan. Unlike Obamacare with 0 GOP votes. |
No, "bi-partisan support" means having the support of both parties, meaning both parties at least have to have a respective majority agreement from each party, a tiny minority of one party doesn't represent the consent of the party in question.
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| aidanjt wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | That is bi-partisan. Unlike Obamacare with 0 GOP votes. |
No, "bi-partisan support" means having the support of both parties, meaning both parties at least have to have a respective majority agreement from each party, a tiny minority of one party doesn't represent the consent of the party in question. |
Bi-partisan support = support from both parties. This bill passed the house with bi-partisan support... not unanimous support, or even overwhelming bi-partisan support, just bi-partisan support. I'm not sure why you argue points like this to Americans who have lived in this system longer than you've been alive.
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| aidanjt wrote: | | I'm not sure if 19 Dems makes for bi-partisan support, really. |
More than 0. Depends on what they cross the aisle for. Taxes may be one of the issues they think their constituents expect them to compromise. Especially if they're up for reelection.
I disagree that bi-partisan support requires a "majority" within a party.
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| Muso wrote: | | Bi-partisan support = support from both parties. This bill passed the house with bi-partisan support... not unanimous support, or even overwhelming bi-partisan support, just bi-partisan support. I'm not sure why you argue points like this to Americans who have lived in this system longer than you've been alive. |
Sorry, I forgot your political system is literacy challenged.
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| aidanjt wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | Bi-partisan support = support from both parties. This bill passed the house with bi-partisan support... not unanimous support, or even overwhelming bi-partisan support, just bi-partisan support. I'm not sure why you argue points like this to Americans who have lived in this system longer than you've been alive. |
Sorry, I forgot your political system is literacy challenged. |
It is what it is. That's always been the way to describe a bill that gets passed with any > 0% votes from both parties.
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| Quote: | Bipartisanship is a political situation, usually in the context of a two-party system, in which opposing political parties find common ground through compromise.
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The adjective bipartisan can refer to any bill, act, resolution, or other political act in which both of the two major political parties agree about all or many parts of a political choice. Bipartisanship involves trying to find common ground, but there is debate whether the issues needing common ground are peripheral or central ones.[1] Often, compromises are called bipartisan if they reconcile the desires of both parties from an original version of legislation or other proposal. |
Apparently I'm not the only one who thinks bipartisan means support of the party, not a solitary candidate. By that line of reasoning, 1 Rep, and 1 Dem could introduce a bill and call it bipartisan, even though it doesn't have the support of either party. Do you not realise how utterly daft that sounds?
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I don't agree with 1 being bi-partisan, but certainly less than a majority can be bi-partisan. I'd personally throw a dart somewhere around the 1/3 mark. Taking in to account people like Kennedy who were admonished by the party for not towing the party line because he had a momentary lapse of reason and acknowledge sanity on the other side.
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