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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 6:21 pm    Post subject: Climate Scientologists have a plan Reply with quote

Nothing could possibly go wrong. Trust them, they're scientists.

Plan to Slow Global Warming By Dumping Iron Sulphate into Oceans
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In order to test if it works we should start dumping it in the ocean near poor countries or countries we don't care about like China.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You were referring to this http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/world/asia/01algae.html?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I expected better than some stupid pseudo-pun in the title.

It just makes you look stupid.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If scientists haven't learned enough to stop thinking they known enough to play God (or Mother Nature if you need that), then the title is appropriate.

It's OK, there are several here from whom I'd expect a similar response.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody's playing god. Some people are looking at small-scale experiments to try to assess the feasibility. No-one has demonstrated it will work yet. No-one is trying to sell iron oxide snake-oil. There is a great deal of concern in the scientific community about the side-effects of geo-engineering measures such as these. Large-scale trials are not allowed under the London Convention on dumping at sea because of this. There is also an awareness that even if we do discover a successful method of cooling the planet it will inevitably be used as an excuse for business as usual on the carbon emission front and therefore could conceivably make things worse.

All in all, that sounds about right.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If scientists haven't learned enough to stop thinking they known enough to play God (or Mother Nature if you need that), then the title is appropriate.

It's OK, there are several here from whom I'd expect a similar response.


it's not a bad idea, really, except for the whole 'too much alge growth in the oceans' thing which is generally not a good thing.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Which kind of makes it a bad idea. And we're talking about global mistakes with potentially catastrophic results. Doesn't seem like a worthwhile experiment.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Which kind of makes it a bad idea. And we're talking about global mistakes with potentially catastrophic results. Doesn't seem like a worthwhile experiment.


well, if this shit hits the fan, we've got a reasonable plan B.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Which kind of makes it a bad idea. And we're talking about global mistakes with potentially catastrophic results. Doesn't seem like a worthwhile experiment.


well, if this shit hits the fan, we've got a reasonable plan B.

Yeah, reasonable. Or we could just detonate all the nuclear weapons and trigger nuclear winter.

At least people are thinking about possible actions, though. That's better than running around in labor, witch-finding "deniers".
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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At least people are thinking about possible actions, though. That's better than running around in labor, witch-finding "deniers".
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The focus really needs to be on reasonable solutions that don't incur certain economic doom (or destruction of the ecosystem).
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only witch-hunt is the deliberate targeting of honest scientists with FOI requests and computer hacking and the spurious allegations made against them.

On the other hand, malicious propagandists or simple idiots who spout bullshit regarding a scientific subject which they know nothing about deserve all they get. Bigots may not like getting called out for their bigotry. Doesn't make it wrong.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, you're obsessed, and you're part of the problem. You couldn't even resist the compulsion to respond to generic criticism of witch-hunting for deniers.

Also, stop pontificating about science. You know about as much about science as a parakeet, and your position on climate change is about as scientific as my neighbor's beagle licking his balls.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Climate scientists are witch-hunted. Deniers are not. However deniers are - perfectly reasonably - criticised for their bigotry and stupidity in much the same way creationists would be.

Every time you try to argue about some aspect of climate science you end up running away butthurt so I guess it's safer for you to stick to simple abuse.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Climate scientists are witch-hunted. Deniers are not. However deniers are - perfectly reasonably - criticised for their bigotry and stupidity in much the same way creationists would be.

Yeah, that's why that "perfectly reasonable" criticism has taken the form of forged documents, right?

You're such an obvious cult-member. You rarely say anything useful (although I must say you did make one good post in this thread, before becoming overwhelmed by your obsessions and compulsions); you just knee-jerk away, spouting off in argument against things nobody has even said, and tilting at windmills like some kind of global warming asshat without a plan, while completely oblivious to your own ignorance.

Nobody runs away from you, mcgruff; they ignore you, like one ignores the babbling of a mentally handicapped child in an elevator or waiting room.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Climate scientists are witch-hunted. Deniers are not.
I've seen people go witch-hunting on both sides of the debate. And then tensity of the climate change debate isn't even all that different than any other hot debate, like abortion and gun laws.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mcgruff wrote:
Climate scientists are witch-hunted. Deniers are not.
I've seen people go witch-hunting on both sides of the debate. And then tensity of the climate change debate isn't even all that different than any other hot debate, like abortion and gun laws.

Simple solution to Pro-life and Pro-gun: shoot all pro-lifers. Guns will become superfluous, since no-one else will want them.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mcgruff wrote:
Climate scientists are witch-hunted. Deniers are not.
I've seen people go witch-hunting on both sides of the debate. And then tensity of the climate change debate isn't even all that different than any other hot debate, like abortion and gun laws.

Simple solution to Pro-life and Pro-gun: shoot all pro-lifers. Guns will become superfluous, since no-one else will want them.

Could you explain that one, please? :lol:
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Could you explain that one, please? :lol:

Just being a smartarse :P A Venn diagram of pro-life, pro-gun, pro-death penalty would have a fair overlap though I would think. Paradoxically so maybe.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BoneKracker wrote:
Could you explain that one, please? :lol:

Just being a smartarse :P A Venn diagram of pro-life, pro-gun, pro-death penalty would have a fair overlap though I would think. Paradoxically so maybe.

One might assume so, since all three are known as "conservative" positions. The pro-life activists I have met were mostly women (or men dutifully tagging along with them) and seemed to be the "What would Jesus do?" type and against violence in general. Of course, you get some angry people around any issue people feel strongly about. They joke about the paradox of anti-death penalty activists all being pro-abortion (which they consider to be wholesale homicidal slaughter).

The pro-gun people I've met were almost all men (or women dutifully tagging along with them) and religion seems to be orthogonal. They are mostly just pragmatics. I'd guess there would be a fair degree of overlap between this group and those who support capital punishment, though. Many of them are hunters, or have been military or law enforcement, and accordingly are not as insulated from and therefore terrified of death as most of the population.

If you want some overlap, draw a Venn diagram of those who are anti-death-penalty and those who have never eaten something they have killed (and are horrified or sickened at the very thought).
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nobody runs away from you, mcgruff; they ignore you, like one ignores the babbling of a mentally handicapped child in an elevator or waiting room.


No you keep running away. Happens time and time again. You'll suddenly realise you're way out your depth, seize on some spurious point of your own invention, get angry when that doesn't get you anywhere, and then flounce off claiming everybody else (!) is stupid. The last one was a bit of a classic. The "evidence" you grabbed off wikipedia with a ten-minute google in fact contradicted your own position. Did you acknowledge your error? No. You didn't learn anything at all. You just ran off in a storm of abuse and impotent rage which didn't do as much to hide your embarrassment as you think.

And now you complain about harassment... It's always the same story with climate isn't it? Bigots affect to be harassed and victimised by "witch hunts" whenever anyone dares to challenge their bigotry and ignorance. It's so damned rude to insist that scientific discussions be rational and evidence-led, so awfully unfair to expect them to learn anything, right?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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At least people are thinking about possible actions, though. That's better than running around in labor, witch-finding "deniers".
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The focus really needs to be on reasonable solutions that don't incur certain economic doom (or destruction of the ecosystem).


you mean like, say, a market based carbon trading scheme that will reduce emissions over time, as well as a focus on improving and implementing renewable technologies?
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pjp wrote:
BoneKracker wrote:
At least people are thinking about possible actions, though. That's better than running around in labor, witch-finding "deniers".
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The focus really needs to be on reasonable solutions that don't incur certain economic doom (or destruction of the ecosystem).


you mean like, say, a market based carbon trading scheme that will reduce emissions over time, as well as a focus on improving and implementing renewable technologies?


No silly. What you describe only makes those selling credits rich. The other stuff is just the smoke that those selling credits have blown up your ass.
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