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Where should Muso et al. move to?
Hong Kong
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Singapore
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Australia
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New Zealand
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Switzerland
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Canada
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Chile
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Mauritius
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Ireland
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Somalia
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:45 pm    Post subject: Which country should Muso move to? Reply with quote

Now that the US disallows freedom and is slipping into 1984-land, vast hordes of Americans will now leave the land of the broad stripes and bright stars.

Looking down the heritage index of countries that have greater 'economic freedom' than the US gives a number of interesting choices.

http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking

Note that, in some way or another, all these countries offer some kind of government intervention in the healthcare sector.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about Sudan, Somalia?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where is the Somalia-option??????????

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ichbinsisyphos wrote:
Where is the Somalia-option??????????

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good point. I've added Somalia.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:16 am    Post subject: Re: Which country should Muso move to? Reply with quote

sugar wrote:
Note that, in some way or another, all these countries offer some kind of government intervention in the healthcare sector.
Which kind of makes not much of an alternative. And personally, I'd prefer to be able to communicate, so English is also a requirement.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That leaves you with Australia, New Zealand, Canada and Ireland (when they're speaking English).
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do not want.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
That leaves you with Australia, New Zealand, Canada and Ireland (when they're speaking English).


hmmmm

so, when there's a right-wing president, there's a flood of lefties that go to Canada for the socialism, and when there's a left-wing president, there's a flood of free marketers that flee to Canada for the economic freedom?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are there no moons on the list?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcgruff wrote:
Why are there no moons on the list?

Because the moons around Uranus are around Uranus.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sikpuppy wrote:
mcgruff wrote:
Why are there no moons on the list?

Because the moons around Uranus are around Uranus.


Europa :?:
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

disi wrote:
sikpuppy wrote:
mcgruff wrote:
Why are there no moons on the list?

Because the moons around Uranus are around Uranus.


Europa :?:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
That leaves you with Australia, New Zealand, Canada and Ireland (when they're speaking English).
But none that I'm aware are really any better, and most are more "socialist," are they not?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if Australia is socialist.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In addition to not giving monarchy the boot...
Quote:
Australia introduced universal health care in 1975.[266] Known as Medicare it is now nominally funded by an income tax surcharge known as the Medicare levy, currently set at 1.5 per cent.[267] The states manage hospitals and attached outpatient services, while the Commonwealth funds the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (reducing the costs of medicines) and general practice.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Instead of moving to Australia, he could "move to Australia".

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
In addition to not giving monarchy the boot...
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Australia introduced universal health care in 1975.[266] Known as Medicare it is now nominally funded by an income tax surcharge known as the Medicare levy, currently set at 1.5 per cent.[267] The states manage hospitals and attached outpatient services, while the Commonwealth funds the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (reducing the costs of medicines) and general practice.


please tell me why this is bad, considering that:

Australians spend less on health care than americans
Austrialians have a higher life expectancy.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

energyman76b wrote:
Australians spend less on health care than americans
Austrialians have a higher life expectancy.
Bloated government:
Is not affordable.
Is not necessary.
Is not sustainable.
Is not required to reduce healthcare costs.
Is not related to life expectancy.

And many more.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I voted NZ of course.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is at least hope for improvement in Somalia.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
energyman76b wrote:
Australians spend less on health care than americans
Austrialians have a higher life expectancy.
Bloated government:
Is not affordable.
Is not necessary.
Is not sustainable.
Is not required to reduce healthcare costs.
Is not related to life expectancy.

And many more.


really? so why beat all countries with health care systems beat out those who don't have one?

Germany has one for 140 years - so much about 'affordable' and 'sustainable'. Necessary? Only if you don't want to pay more for less service.

Again, the USA pay MORE then every other country for LESS. That pretty much debases everything you just wrote.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

energyman76b wrote:
Germany has one for 140 years - so much about 'affordable' and 'sustainable'.
Maybe your government isn't bloated. Ours is. Our government has been bloated for a very long time. Healthcare is just an additional burden and unrelated to whether or not bloated government is affordable and unsustainable.

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Again, the USA pay MORE then every other country for LESS. That pretty much debases everything you just wrote.
You're making huge leaps. What is that called, causation without correlation, or correlation without causation? Something like that. At any rate, your claim that it debases what I wrote is bogus.
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pjp wrote:
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Germany has one for 140 years - so much about 'affordable' and 'sustainable'.
Maybe your government isn't bloated. Ours is. Our government has been bloated for a very long time. Healthcare is just an additional burden and unrelated to whether or not bloated government is affordable and unsustainable.

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Again, the USA pay MORE then every other country for LESS. That pretty much debases everything you just wrote.
You're making huge leaps. What is that called, causation without correlation, or correlation without causation? Something like that. At any rate, your claim that it debases what I wrote is bogus.


not any more than any of your claims - because none of them are based on reality.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol

You made assertions which are completely unrelated. I did not.
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