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sugar
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 Posted: Sat Jun 30, 2012 5:45 pm Post subject: Which country should Muso move to? |
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Now that the US disallows freedom and is slipping into 1984-land, vast hordes of Americans will now leave the land of the broad stripes and bright stars.
Looking down the heritage index of countries that have greater 'economic freedom' than the US gives a number of interesting choices.
http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
Note that, in some way or another, all these countries offer some kind of government intervention in the healthcare sector.
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What about Sudan, Somalia?
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Where is the Somalia-option??????????
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pjp
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:16 am Post subject: Re: Which country should Muso move to? |
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| sugar wrote: | | Note that, in some way or another, all these countries offer some kind of government intervention in the healthcare sector. |
Which kind of makes not much of an alternative. And personally, I'd prefer to be able to communicate, so English is also a requirement.
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That leaves you with Australia, New Zealand, Canada and Ireland (when they're speaking English).
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| Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| notageek wrote: | | That leaves you with Australia, New Zealand, Canada and Ireland (when they're speaking English). |
hmmmm
so, when there's a right-wing president, there's a flood of lefties that go to Canada for the socialism, and when there's a left-wing president, there's a flood of free marketers that flee to Canada for the economic freedom?
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Yes.
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Why are there no moons on the list?
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| mcgruff wrote: | | Why are there no moons on the list? |
Because the moons around Uranus are around Uranus. |
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| sikpuppy wrote: | | mcgruff wrote: | | Why are there no moons on the list? |
Because the moons around Uranus are around Uranus. |
Europa 
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| disi wrote: | | sikpuppy wrote: | | mcgruff wrote: | | Why are there no moons on the list? |
Because the moons around Uranus are around Uranus. |
Europa |
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| notageek wrote: | | That leaves you with Australia, New Zealand, Canada and Ireland (when they're speaking English). |
But none that I'm aware are really any better, and most are more "socialist," are they not?
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Not sure if Australia is socialist.
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In addition to not giving monarchy the boot... | Quote: | | Australia introduced universal health care in 1975.[266] Known as Medicare it is now nominally funded by an income tax surcharge known as the Medicare levy, currently set at 1.5 per cent.[267] The states manage hospitals and attached outpatient services, while the Commonwealth funds the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (reducing the costs of medicines) and general practice. |
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| pjp wrote: | In addition to not giving monarchy the boot... | Quote: | | Australia introduced universal health care in 1975.[266] Known as Medicare it is now nominally funded by an income tax surcharge known as the Medicare levy, currently set at 1.5 per cent.[267] The states manage hospitals and attached outpatient services, while the Commonwealth funds the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme (reducing the costs of medicines) and general practice. |
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please tell me why this is bad, considering that:
Australians spend less on health care than americans
Austrialians have a higher life expectancy.
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| energyman76b wrote: | Australians spend less on health care than americans
Austrialians have a higher life expectancy. |
Bloated government:
Is not affordable.
Is not necessary.
Is not sustainable.
Is not required to reduce healthcare costs.
Is not related to life expectancy.
And many more.
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I voted NZ of course.
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There is at least hope for improvement in Somalia.
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| pjp wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | Australians spend less on health care than americans
Austrialians have a higher life expectancy. |
Bloated government:
Is not affordable.
Is not necessary.
Is not sustainable.
Is not required to reduce healthcare costs.
Is not related to life expectancy.
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really? so why beat all countries with health care systems beat out those who don't have one?
Germany has one for 140 years - so much about 'affordable' and 'sustainable'. Necessary? Only if you don't want to pay more for less service.
Again, the USA pay MORE then every other country for LESS. That pretty much debases everything you just wrote.
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| energyman76b wrote: | | Germany has one for 140 years - so much about 'affordable' and 'sustainable'. |
Maybe your government isn't bloated. Ours is. Our government has been bloated for a very long time. Healthcare is just an additional burden and unrelated to whether or not bloated government is affordable and unsustainable.
| energyman76b wrote: | | Again, the USA pay MORE then every other country for LESS. That pretty much debases everything you just wrote. |
You're making huge leaps. What is that called, causation without correlation, or correlation without causation? Something like that. At any rate, your claim that it debases what I wrote is bogus.
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| pjp wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | Germany has one for 140 years - so much about 'affordable' and 'sustainable'. |
Maybe your government isn't bloated. Ours is. Our government has been bloated for a very long time. Healthcare is just an additional burden and unrelated to whether or not bloated government is affordable and unsustainable.
| energyman76b wrote: | | Again, the USA pay MORE then every other country for LESS. That pretty much debases everything you just wrote. |
You're making huge leaps. What is that called, causation without correlation, or correlation without causation? Something like that. At any rate, your claim that it debases what I wrote is bogus. |
not any more than any of your claims - because none of them are based on reality.
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lol
You made assertions which are completely unrelated. I did not.
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