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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:59 pm Post subject: Linus Torvalds Calls NVIDIA The Worst Company Ever |
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Linus Torvalds Calls NVIDIA The Worst Company Ever
| Quote: | | Linus Torvalds, the creator of the Linux kernel, has called out NVIDIA for their poor graphics drivers / support in a public presentation. In the talk he called NVIDIA "the single worst company we have ever dealt with" and ended his green comments with "NVIDIA: FUCK YOU!" |
I wonder how a self-help book might describe the "perfect" asshat. _________________ lolgov. 'cause where we're going, you don't have civil liberties.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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With the positive examples of Julian "Open Sores" Assange and Linus "Dummy Spit" Torvalds it won't be long before Linux gets the public recognition it deserves.
At this rate, it might happen before the end of the decade. |
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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I always thought RMS was more the activist, rather than Linus? Is this signaling a change in attitude from Linus? I always thought of him being pretty reluctant to take any credit for Linux and for being vocal about the FOSS movement as a whole.
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energyman76b Advocate


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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: Linus Torvalds Calls NVIDIA The Worst Company Ever |
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| pjp wrote: | Linus Torvalds Calls NVIDIA The Worst Company Ever
| Quote: | | Linus Torvalds, the creator of the Linux kernel, has called out NVIDIA for their poor graphics drivers / support in a public presentation. In the talk he called NVIDIA "the single worst company we have ever dealt with" and ended his green comments with "NVIDIA: FUCK YOU!" |
I wonder how a self-help book might describe the "perfect" asshat. |
why? because telling the truth is forbidden?
Cognitive Disonance much?
Nvidia actively hurt open source driver development. That should give you food for thoughts.
edit: and don't forget their chipset drivers. Oh.. of course open source and everything. But where is the documentation... and why does the driver crash on certain boards... oh.. some chipset revision that changed some stuff... but nvidia does not bother to tell about until someone hits a wall.... _________________
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pjp Administrator


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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: Linus Torvalds Calls NVIDIA The Worst Company Ever |
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| energyman76b wrote: | why? because telling the truth is forbidden?
Cognitive Disonance much? | Depends on what you consider truth. Worst is clearly inaccurate if we're only talking about piddly ass open source issues. If we're talking about enslavement or other horrible working conditions, I'd love to see the evidence.
As for your $3 word, I'm not sure how it is appropriate here. Expecting that open source drivers for NVIDIA's hardware must exist seems to be the only cognitive dissonance.
| energyman76b wrote: | | Nvidia actively hurt open source driver development. That should give you food for thoughts. | So don't buy their hardware or work with the company (you or Linus). "German car companies are the worst because they won't produce open source code to run their vehicles."
| energyman76b wrote: | | edit: and don't forget their chipset drivers. Oh.. of course open source and everything. But where is the documentation... and why does the driver crash on certain boards... oh.. some chipset revision that changed some stuff... but nvidia does not bother to tell about until someone hits a wall.... | I have no problem with closed source drivers, if they work. I'm not overly familiar with problems with either company... neither seems all that good as far as open source is concerned. From what little I've read, Intel seems the most "friendly" to open source. _________________ lolgov. 'cause where we're going, you don't have civil liberties.
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energyman76b Advocate


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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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nvidia is the worst company he had to deal with.
not the worst company out there.
Also: LTR
My example of crashing drivers was about their chipsets, not GPUs. _________________
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Libertardian denial of reality is wholly unimpressive and unconvincing, and simply serves to demonstrate what a bunch of delusional fools they all are.
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pjp Administrator


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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| energyman76b wrote: | nvidia is the worst company he had to deal with.
not the worst company out there. | Exactly. And there is nothing wrong with talking about that to an audience. But when you curse and throw tantrums, it doesn't help the relationship. Thus, asshat. _________________ lolgov. 'cause where we're going, you don't have civil liberties.
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| sikpuppy wrote: | With the positive examples of Julian "Open Sores" Assange and Linus "Dummy Spit" Torvalds it won't be long before Linux gets the public recognition it deserves.
At this rate, it might happen before the end of the decade. |
I've been referring to Assange as "Sleep-Fucker". What's he got to do with Linux? Oh, I get it -- "open sores".  _________________ Oldthinkers unbellyfeel INGSOC.
-- Headline of a document on Winston Smith's terminal in his cubicle at the Ministry of Truth, seen briefly in the background in one scene of the movie rendition of Nineteen Eighty-Four. |
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yoshi314 l33t


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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:56 am Post subject: Re: Linus Torvalds Calls NVIDIA The Worst Company Ever |
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| energyman76b wrote: | | Nvidia actively hurt open source driver development. That should give you food for thoughts. |
evidence?
i'm somewhat aware of nvidia engineers attempting to work around GPL restrictions in kernel, but they are being given cold shoulder all the time. how is that hurting linux development - i do not know.
regarding nouveau - afaik they are more or less neutral on the matter, instead of sabotaging it. still, their attitude sucks big time.
if anything, i recall how forcedeth came to be. maybe that's what you are referring to ? _________________ ~amd64, ~x86
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:12 am Post subject: |
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First of all, GPLv3 is anal, and it just oozes communist hubris. Sure you can agree on any licensing form for software you produce, nobody cares. But demanding the same from a company that invested money into their own software, which may hold competitive advantage, and which btw have been providing binary drivers that work on par with their windows driver to the community, its just ungrateful and out of the line.
Telling them "FUCK YOU" is just infantile. It just shows that Linus is imbecile when it comes to human relations. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| Prenj wrote: | First of all, GPLv3 is anal, and it just oozes communist hubris. Sure you can agree on any licensing form for software you produce, nobody cares. But demanding the same from a company that invested money into their own software, which may hold competitive advantage, and which btw have been providing binary drivers that work on par with their windows driver to the community, its just ungrateful and out of the line.
Telling them "FUCK YOU" is just infantile. It just shows that Linus is imbecile when it comes to human relations. |
yup. While he may have a point, this is no way to address a company or an individual.
All this is going todo is NVIDIA are going to think twice before engaging with Linus.
Providing constructive critism in a polite manner gets you alot further than resorting to childish vitriol filled dialog _________________ A free press is the unsleeping guardian of every other right that free men prize; it is the most dangerous foe of tyranny. Where men have the habit of liberty, the Press will continue to be the vigilant guardian of the rights of the ordinary citizen. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| Naib wrote: | | Prenj wrote: | First of all, GPLv3 is anal, and it just oozes communist hubris. Sure you can agree on any licensing form for software you produce, nobody cares. But demanding the same from a company that invested money into their own software, which may hold competitive advantage, and which btw have been providing binary drivers that work on par with their windows driver to the community, its just ungrateful and out of the line.
Telling them "FUCK YOU" is just infantile. It just shows that Linus is imbecile when it comes to human relations. |
yup. While he may have a point, this is no way to address a company or an individual.
All this is going todo is NVIDIA are going to think twice before engaging with Linus.
Providing constructive critism in a polite manner gets you alot further than resorting to childish vitriol filled dialog |
I think he needs a relationship manager  _________________ Gentoo on Uptime Project - Larry is a cow |
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:24 am Post subject: |
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For once, generalizing would have been appropriate...
http://www.fsf.org/photos/rms-sign.jpg _________________ In theory there are no differences between theory and practice. In practice, there are.
Don't try to understand my posts. Immanuel Kant never did, he thinks that only music and laughter do not have to mean anything. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| Naib wrote: | | Providing constructive critism in a polite manner gets you alot further than resorting to childish vitriol filled dialog |
Considering the red part of your signature, should we deduce that you position yourself as an expert ?
| Linus is the related video wrote: | | I wish everybody was as nice as I am |  _________________ In theory there are no differences between theory and practice. In practice, there are.
Don't try to understand my posts. Immanuel Kant never did, he thinks that only music and laughter do not have to mean anything. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| So has anyone asked Linus *which* video card we're supposed to run our stress-relieving first-person-shooter games on, without them being a slideshow? |
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Worldofpadman is stress-relieving enough for me and runs fine on my Intel GMA4500  _________________ backend.cpp:92:2: warning: #warning TODO - this error message is about as useful as a cooling unit in the arctic |
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Naib Advocate


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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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what makes me laugh about those that advocate full opensource for everything (open OS, open drivers, open BIOS) is when I mention to them about the microcode within Intel/AMD processors... "its a necessary evil" _________________ A free press is the unsleeping guardian of every other right that free men prize; it is the most dangerous foe of tyranny. Where men have the habit of liberty, the Press will continue to be the vigilant guardian of the rights of the ordinary citizen. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Prenj wrote: | First of all, GPLv3 is anal, and it just oozes communist hubris. Sure you can agree on any licensing form for software you produce, nobody cares. But demanding the same from a company that invested money into their own software, which may hold competitive advantage, and which btw have been providing binary drivers that work on par with their windows driver to the community, its just ungrateful and out of the line.
Telling them "FUCK YOU" is just infantile. It just shows that Linus is imbecile when it comes to human relations. |
and GPL3 has nothing to do with this. Seriously, this is the point where you should be ashamed of yourself.
LT for example, hates GPLv3.
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So Prenj, Naib, please remove yourself to some corner and put the FOOL head on. Thank you.
and the example of nvidia being toxic:
Rememver Xfree 3.3?
Back then there was a WORKING accelerated Geforce driver.
Nvidia forced them to pull it off.
Their 2d driver? Was obfuscated with a preprocessor so only nvidia-devs would be able to work with it. Took the nouveau-people a lot of time to work around that crap.
And the 2d driver started with good code - before nvidia started to threaten everybody. _________________
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Libertardian denial of reality is wholly unimpressive and unconvincing, and simply serves to demonstrate what a bunch of delusional fools they all are.
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Naib Advocate


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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| energyman76b wrote: | | Prenj wrote: | First of all, GPLv3 is anal, and it just oozes communist hubris. Sure you can agree on any licensing form for software you produce, nobody cares. But demanding the same from a company that invested money into their own software, which may hold competitive advantage, and which btw have been providing binary drivers that work on par with their windows driver to the community, its just ungrateful and out of the line.
Telling them "FUCK YOU" is just infantile. It just shows that Linus is imbecile when it comes to human relations. |
and GPL3 has nothing to do with this. Seriously, this is the point where you should be ashamed of yourself.
LT for example, hates GPLv3.
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So Prenj, Naib, please remove yourself to some corner and put the FOOL head on. Thank you.
and the example of nvidia being toxic:
Rememver Xfree 3.3?
Back then there was a WORKING accelerated Geforce driver.
Nvidia forced them to pull it off.
Their 2d driver? Was obfuscated with a preprocessor so only nvidia-devs would be able to work with it. Took the nouveau-people a lot of time to work around that crap.
And the 2d driver started with good code - before nvidia started to threaten everybody. |
wait what? I was agreeing with Prenj on the attitude of LT NOT on GPLv3, please re-read what I wrote before you go full retard in your replies _________________ A free press is the unsleeping guardian of every other right that free men prize; it is the most dangerous foe of tyranny. Where men have the habit of liberty, the Press will continue to be the vigilant guardian of the rights of the ordinary citizen. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Naib wrote: | | re-read what I wrote before you go full retard in your replies |
OK I understand now.
So, neither your signature nor your advice reflected your authentic opinion. _________________ In theory there are no differences between theory and practice. In practice, there are.
Don't try to understand my posts. Immanuel Kant never did, he thinks that only music and laughter do not have to mean anything. |
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Prenj n00b


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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| energyman76b wrote: | | Prenj wrote: | First of all, GPLv3 is anal, and it just oozes communist hubris. Sure you can agree on any licensing form for software you produce, nobody cares. But demanding the same from a company that invested money into their own software, which may hold competitive advantage, and which btw have been providing binary drivers that work on par with their windows driver to the community, its just ungrateful and out of the line.
Telling them "FUCK YOU" is just infantile. It just shows that Linus is imbecile when it comes to human relations. |
Seriously, this is the point where you should be ashamed of yourself.
So Prenj, Naib, please remove yourself to some corner and put the FOOL head on. Thank you.
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No. I am not ashamed of being wrong, we don't have sepukku culture. However LT is still a dick and suffers from verbal diarrhea. Instead of spouting shit on people when he disagrees, he can simply check himself for tourettes or narcissoid personality disorder.
As for GPLv3, my bad. |
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| He can say whatever he wants, you bunch of ungrateful gits. |
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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I watched the whole video, and actually it's really not big a deal at all. It was a Q&A session with students and he was asked about nVidia refusing to make Optimus work on Linux, and he's dead right to criticise them over it, he also pointed out that their Tegra support was a complete mess as well. And that was a very short part of an hour+ long session. He didn't get all enraged about those damn nvidia people, or whatever people imagine him to be like. It was mostly light-hearted, tongue in cheek banter, but what he's saying isn't remotely wrong at all.
Ironically, he also brushed on his abrasiveness, and pointed out that aside from it being in his nature, and the whole Germanic culture thing of being bluntly honest. He's also had to deal with some developers in the past who've misunderstood his intent, went away and busted their asses working on something, come back, and Linus had to tell them that they've gone in the completely wrong direction and one even went suicidal over it. So for Linus, his attitude is just right, as it avoids any miscommunication.
And in some respects, I kind of identify with that perspective. Really, English-speakers put far too much stock in 'politeness' and pussy foot around morons and idiots far too much. It's the most nauseous kind of dishonesty because politeness without sincerity is hollow and empty. _________________
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Prenj n00b


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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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| aidanjt wrote: | | And in some respects, I kind of identify with that perspective. Really, English-speakers put far too much stock in 'politeness' and pussy foot around morons and idiots far too much. It's the most nauseous kind of dishonesty because politeness without sincerity is hollow and empty. |
Naah its more a sign of white-trash uppbringing.
Not talking about status, but about the fact that other people may not appreciate everything that you produce. It's kinda same category as farting at dinner table. Some think its funny, some think its forcing the people you eat dinner with to inhale your shit particles and methane, and accusing them of pussy-footing if they protest (which is the offending part, putting blame on them).
The difference in uppbringing is that in some families, everybody congratulates you on your fart and tells fond stories about how uncle Mike's farts smell really bad. The reason for this lax attitude can be two-fold, either you are royalty, and it is in your genes to fart if you are on the top of the foodchain, just because you can (Calligula), or you are peasant who stands in shit all day anyway, so one fart more or less doesn't make any difference.
Everybody who figured out the way to not stand in shit anymore doesn't appreciate it, and is told at young age that it is not polite.

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