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 Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:18 am Post subject: [RoPublicans] complaining about President Obama have amnesia |
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| Quote: | The Romney people would be well advised to brush up on the history of their own party. Consider, for instance, the election of 1900. William McKinley's bid for a second term featured an end-zone dance about the Spanish-American War. McKinley's top surrogate was his running mate, war hero Theodore Roosevelt, who told voters: "We drew the sword and waged the most righteous and brilliantly successful foreign war that this generation has seen."
But why go back 112 years? I don't recall any of Obama's critics complaining in May 2003, when George W. Bush donned a flight suit and strutted around the deck of an aircraft carrier with a banner emblazoned "Mission Accomplished."
Everyone knew that ceremony was being choreographed for Bush's re-election bid. The White House hired an ex-ABC News producer to advise on production values. The carrier was directed to shift positions several times to ensure that an expanse of water, rather than the nearby California coastline, would serve as the backdrop when Bush's plane landed. And his remarks, noting the end of "major combat operations in Iraq," were delayed until the cameras could frame him against the golden sunset, at what's known in Hollywood as "the magic hour."
Hey, politics ain't beanbag. Iraq looked like a triumph (that day, anyway), so naturally Bush wanted to reap the credit. |
http://www.standard.net/stories/2012/05/07/republicans-complaining-about-president-obama-have-amnesia
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 1:54 am Post subject: |
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*sigh*
Landing on the carrier isn't at all comparable to a campaign infomercial.
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I perceived it to be "chest thumping" not a campaign stunt. Obama is making it a campaign ad. That's the difference, at least IMO.
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Shouldn't you be out protesting the Chinese who are buying up the farms in Hobbiton?
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| sugar wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | Shouldn't you be out protesting the Chinese who are buying up the farms in Hobbiton? |
Here comes the RoPublican apologist! |
Instead of focusing on being a cheerleader for the worthless democrat party of the USA, it would seem more prudent for you to be actually trying to do something about your country's main industry being slowly swallowed by China. That is assuming that you actually care about your own country.
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| Muso wrote: | | sugar wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | Shouldn't you be out protesting the Chinese who are buying up the farms in Hobbiton? |
Here comes the RoPublican apologist! |
Instead of focusing on being a cheerleader for the worthless democrat party of the USA, it would seem more prudent for you to be actually trying to do something about your country's main industry being slowly swallowed by China. That is assuming that you actually care about your own country. |
We're investing a similar amount of capital into Chinese dairy farms in China.
Of course, if we look at who exactly has invested in New Zealand over the years, it's the Australians and the North Americans. By far. China doesn't even register.
I don't mind the Aussies. Or the Canadians. It's the fucking American's I care about, the one's who are trying to take over New Zealand. It's like a Yankee-doodle plague.
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| the problem is that dbaggers were complaining that republicans did it, only for dbaggers to do exactly that now that they're up. |
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| sugar wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | sugar wrote: | | Muso wrote: | | Shouldn't you be out protesting the Chinese who are buying up the farms in Hobbiton? |
Here comes the RoPublican apologist! |
Instead of focusing on being a cheerleader for the worthless democrat party of the USA, it would seem more prudent for you to be actually trying to do something about your country's main industry being slowly swallowed by China. That is assuming that you actually care about your own country. |
We're investing a similar amount of capital into Chinese dairy farms in China.
Of course, if we look at who exactly has invested in New Zealand over the years, it's the Australians and the North Americans. By far. China doesn't even register. |
1. That PDF doesn't say what you think it says.
2. It also doesn't cover the 2012 land acquisitions by the Chinese.
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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sugar make about as much sense as Algore buying a multi-million dollar California mansion six feet above sea level.
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| Muso wrote: |
1. That PDF doesn't say what you think it says.
2. It also doesn't cover the 2012 land acquisitions by the Chinese. |
the 2012 land sales to the Chinese was 8 thousand hectares (0.05% of the arable land avaliable in this country). 8 years ago, we sold nearly 200 thousand (1.2% of the arable land in this country) hectares to an Australian Investment Group.
Yet again, chop, you're brining a spatula to a knife fight.
*note: inserted bolded words to satisfy Mr Spatula below.*
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| Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| sugar wrote: | | Muso wrote: |
1. That PDF doesn't say what you think it says.
2. It also doesn't cover the 2012 land acquisitions by the Chinese. |
the 2012 land sales to the Chinese was 8 hectares (0.05% of the arable land avaliable in this country). |
You're wrong. The sale was this year for 7,892 hectares.
| Quote: | | The government of New Zealand has approved the sale of 16 dairy farms to a Chinese development firm. The sale of 7,892 hectares (19,500 acres) on the North Island is to Milk New Zealand Holding LTD, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Shanghai Pengxin. |
Now, why don't you go do something that you're qualified for.
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| sugar wrote: | | Yet again, chop, you're brining a spatula to a knife fight. |
What do you expect, he's Hawaiian. |
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Thread is a dupe. We were discussing this exact comparison elsewhere.
Bush had a lot more to do with the invasion of Iraq and toppling of Hussein's regime than Obama had to do with the elimination of bin Laden. Moreover, one was the rapid and decisive defeat of the 4th-largest military on Earth and the toppling of a totalitarian regime; the other, a single special ops raid to get one man.
Axelrod trying to compare the two is like trying to say Obama lying about his penis size is the same as Herbert Hoover dedicating the Empire State building.
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| I think the main point is that the "Mission Accomplished" affair was that it was choreographed, timed and filmed like a Hollywood movie. A lot of effort was put into showing the president in a good light. It was just a phony publicity stunt, which I don't consider any worse than a campaign ad. |
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Related:
| Quote: | "Veterans for a Strong America describes itself “a grassroots action organization committed to ensuring that America remains a strong nation by advancing liberty, safeguarding freedom and opposing tyranny.” Founded in 2010, the ostensibly nonpartisan group kept a low profile until earlier this week, when it posted a splashy online ad that uses statements from President Barack Obama to suggest that the commander-in-chief boasted about his role in killing Osama bin Laden, dishonoring America’s military in the process. [...]
Karl Rove praised the ad on Twitter, calling it “powerful,” and it rapidly burned up the right-wing blogs. “The swift boating of Obama has begun,” The Atlantic announced. “One thing that’s clear from this advertisement, if more current and former SEALs decided to come out of the woodwork in opposition to Obama, it could do real damage to him.”
Joel Arends, Veterans for a Strong America’s founder, chairman, and sole staffer, tells me he’s proud of his organization’s viral video, even if it’s characterized as swift boating. “Yes, it’s the swift boating of the president, in the sense of using what’s perceived to be his greatest strength and making it his greatest weakness.”
And, with that, you have an admission from President Obama’s political opponents that his greatest strength is national security. |
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| pitcrawler wrote: | Related:
| Quote: | "Veterans for a Strong America describes itself “a grassroots action organization committed to ensuring that America remains a strong nation by advancing liberty, safeguarding freedom and opposing tyranny.” Founded in 2010, the ostensibly nonpartisan group kept a low profile until earlier this week, when it posted a splashy online ad that uses statements from President Barack Obama to suggest that the commander-in-chief boasted about his role in killing Osama bin Laden, dishonoring America’s military in the process. [...]
Karl Rove praised the ad on Twitter, calling it “powerful,” and it rapidly burned up the right-wing blogs. “The swift boating of Obama has begun,” The Atlantic announced. “One thing that’s clear from this advertisement, if more current and former SEALs decided to come out of the woodwork in opposition to Obama, it could do real damage to him.”
Joel Arends, Veterans for a Strong America’s founder, chairman, and sole staffer, tells me he’s proud of his organization’s viral video, even if it’s characterized as swift boating. “Yes, it’s the swift boating of the president, in the sense of using what’s perceived to be his greatest strength and making it his greatest weakness.”
And, with that, you have an admission from President Obama’s political opponents that his greatest strength is national security. |
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Yeah, right. We hear from the Ministry of Truth again. "War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, and Obama's greatest strength is national security." You've got to be fucking kidding me. Pay no attention to Vietnam 2.0 over there. 
Swift-boating isn't about taking someone's strength and making it a weakness. It's about calling someone out on their self-aggrandizing lies and misrepresentations made at the expense of others.
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2012 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| sugar wrote: | | it's publicity, either way. |
Not incorrect, but a major difference between the two.
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| sugar wrote: | | ichbinsisyphos wrote: | | sugar wrote: | | Yet again, chop, you're brining a spatula to a knife fight. |
What do you expect, he's Hawaiian. |
lol |
And yet you mistook 7,892 hectares for 8 hectares. I smell tard in this thread, and it's not me.
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| Muso wrote: | | sugar wrote: | | ichbinsisyphos wrote: | | sugar wrote: | | Yet again, chop, you're brining a spatula to a knife fight. |
What do you expect, he's Hawaiian. |
lol |
And yet you mistook 7,892 hectares for 8 hectares. I smell tard in this thread, and it's not me. |
I've corrected it. Any more useless points that don't help your case nor help you look intelligent, Mr Spatula?
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Yeah, right. We hear from the Ministry of Truth again. "War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, and Obama's greatest strength is national security." You've got to be fucking kidding me. Pay no attention to Vietnam 2.0 over there.
Swift-boating isn't about taking someone's strength and making it a weakness. It's about calling someone out on their self-aggrandizing lies and misrepresentations made at the expense of others. |
How do you figure he's weak on national security? (That is, if you DO think he's weak on National Security) What is your evidence? He did not start any new wars, no major terror incidents have happened to the US, and more than one attempt has been thwarted. And Osama is still dead, and Obama is still the commander-in-chief. |
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Obama needs to stop running as president on his accomplishments.
He should be running on his failures.
WtF :? |
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