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doesn't matter who you vote for, you still end up with the government
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| Naib wrote: | | doesn't matter who you vote for, you still end up with the government |
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Compare their perception of Obama four years ago:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008
To their perception now:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012
Hope & Change!
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F'ing shared. I pushed hard for Ron Paul this election year. When Mitt Romney took the lead and held it, I died a little inside. I've spoken with people (like my sister) who just see this guy (Ron Paul) as a goofball, then throw out some line like, "Isn't he for legalizing marijuana?". Then I begin to explain that I don't like it, don't smoke it, and it would have little to do with what Paul wants, he would leave it up to the state..... and I may as well have spoke to a brick wall.
Folks... we live in a world where the majority of the people are uninformed... and since majority rules... uninformed decisions get made... a lot. I feel so screwed and helpless.
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| Bigun wrote: | F'ing shared. I pushed hard for Ron Paul this election year. When Mitt Romney took the lead and held it, I died a little inside. I've spoken with people (like my sister) who just see this guy (Ron Paul) as a goofball, then throw out some line like, "Isn't he for legalizing marijuana?". Then I begin to explain that I don't like it, don't smoke it, and it would have little to do with what Paul wants, he would leave it up to the state..... and I may as well have spoke to a brick wall.
Folks... we live in a world where the majority of the people are uninformed... and since majority rules... uninformed decisions get made... a lot. I feel so screwed and helpless. |
You can't let yourself feel that way. Do something destructive, like take a shit on the hood of your sister's car. It may not make any difference, but it will make you feel better.
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sugar
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| Bigun wrote: | F'ing shared. I pushed hard for Ron Paul this election year. When Mitt Romney took the lead and held it, I died a little inside. I've spoken with people (like my sister) who just see this guy (Ron Paul) as a goofball, then throw out some line like, "Isn't he for legalizing marijuana?". Then I begin to explain that I don't like it, don't smoke it, and it would have little to do with what Paul wants, he would leave it up to the state..... and I may as well have spoke to a brick wall.
Folks... we live in a world where the majority of the people are uninformed... and since majority rules... uninformed decisions get made... a lot. I feel so screwed and helpless. |
what you really want to push for is proportional representation.
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| sugar wrote: | | Bigun wrote: | F'ing shared. I pushed hard for Ron Paul this election year. When Mitt Romney took the lead and held it, I died a little inside. I've spoken with people (like my sister) who just see this guy (Ron Paul) as a goofball, then throw out some line like, "Isn't he for legalizing marijuana?". Then I begin to explain that I don't like it, don't smoke it, and it would have little to do with what Paul wants, he would leave it up to the state..... and I may as well have spoke to a brick wall.
Folks... we live in a world where the majority of the people are uninformed... and since majority rules... uninformed decisions get made... a lot. I feel so screwed and helpless. |
what you really want to push for is proportional representation. |
We live in a big country. Geographic representation (which is actually a type of "proportional representation") is more important to us.
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It is far more important that you not vote. Don't waste your vote: don't vote.
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| Bigun wrote: | F'ing shared. I pushed hard for Ron Paul this election year. When Mitt Romney took the lead and held it, I died a little inside. I've spoken with people (like my sister) who just see this guy (Ron Paul) as a goofball, then throw out some line like, "Isn't he for legalizing marijuana?". Then I begin to explain that I don't like it, don't smoke it, and it would have little to do with what Paul wants, he would leave it up to the state..... and I may as well have spoke to a brick wall.
Folks... we live in a world where the majority of the people are uninformed... and since majority rules... uninformed decisions get made... a lot. I feel so screwed and helpless. |
if you were informed, you wouldn't support that hypocrite Ron Paul. He just wants to completely sell out to big corporations. He doesn't give a shit about personal freedom.
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| energyman76b wrote: | | Bigun wrote: | F'ing shared. I pushed hard for Ron Paul this election year. When Mitt Romney took the lead and held it, I died a little inside. I've spoken with people (like my sister) who just see this guy (Ron Paul) as a goofball, then throw out some line like, "Isn't he for legalizing marijuana?". Then I begin to explain that I don't like it, don't smoke it, and it would have little to do with what Paul wants, he would leave it up to the state..... and I may as well have spoke to a brick wall.
Folks... we live in a world where the majority of the people are uninformed... and since majority rules... uninformed decisions get made... a lot. I feel so screwed and helpless. |
if you were informed, you wouldn't support that hypocrite Ron Paul. He just wants to completely sell out to big corporations. He doesn't give a shit about personal freedom. |
I'd much rather have a hypocrite selling out to big corporations than someone who supports a war that had no purpose in the first place. |
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| dmitchell wrote: | | It is far more important that you not vote. Don't waste your vote: don't vote. |
Sorry d; you know I love ya, but....... 
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| Mardok45 wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | Bigun wrote: | F'ing shared. I pushed hard for Ron Paul this election year. When Mitt Romney took the lead and held it, I died a little inside. I've spoken with people (like my sister) who just see this guy (Ron Paul) as a goofball, then throw out some line like, "Isn't he for legalizing marijuana?". Then I begin to explain that I don't like it, don't smoke it, and it would have little to do with what Paul wants, he would leave it up to the state..... and I may as well have spoke to a brick wall.
Folks... we live in a world where the majority of the people are uninformed... and since majority rules... uninformed decisions get made... a lot. I feel so screwed and helpless. |
if you were informed, you wouldn't support that hypocrite Ron Paul. He just wants to completely sell out to big corporations. He doesn't give a shit about personal freedom. |
I'd much rather have a hypocrite selling out to big corporations than someone who supports a war that had no purpose in the first place. |
yeah, Ron Paul did support going to war. But I think his anti-gay stance, his racism, his attempts to taking away a billion dollar from the tax payer and shunting it into wall street are worse.
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| energyman76b wrote: | | yeah, Ron Paul did support going to war. But I think his anti-gay stance, his racism, his attempts to taking away a billion dollar from the tax payer and shunting it into wall street are worse. |
lolwut
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Besides the importance of not voting, changing the president is like changing the surfer riding the wave of the state. The wave rolls on.
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| doubleagent wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | yeah, Ron Paul did support going to war. But I think his anti-gay stance, his racism, his attempts to taking away a billion dollar from the tax payer and shunting it into wall street are worse. |
lolwut |
yeah, it would be funny, it isn't such a shame. 5 min googling will support all the things I wrote.
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| Old School wrote: | | dmitchell wrote: | | It is far more important that you not vote. Don't waste your vote: don't vote. |
Sorry d; you know I love ya, but....... :roll: |
I know but nothing i can think of will do more to delegitimize the federal behemoth in the eyes of the average citizen than fewer and fewer people voting.
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| energyman76b wrote: | | yeah, Ron Paul did support going to war. But I think his anti-gay stance, his racism, his attempts to taking away a billion dollar from the tax payer and shunting it into wall street are worse. |
Ron Paul supported the limited action of removing the Taliban from power and crippling al Qaida. He did not support the aggression against Iraq.
But what is really funny is you equating the tax payer keeping more of his own money as "shunting it into Wall Street." If I am allowed to keep more of my money, how is that shunting that money to Wall Street? That makes zero sense.
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| Old School wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | yeah, Ron Paul did support going to war. But I think his anti-gay stance, his racism, his attempts to taking away a billion dollar from the tax payer and shunting it into wall street are worse. |
Ron Paul supported the limited action of removing the Taliban from power and crippling al Qaida. He did not support the aggression against Iraq.
But what is really funny is you equating the tax payer keeping more of his own money as "shunting it into Wall Street." If I am allowed to keep more of my money, how is that shunting that money to Wall Street? That makes zero sense. |
oh, he just wants to drain the social security funds for that. Less obvious.
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You need to get some sleep. 
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Depends on whether or not your head is in the ground still or if you've recognized Obama as a failure.
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| dmitchell wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | dmitchell wrote: | | It is far more important that you not vote. Don't waste your vote: don't vote. |
Sorry d; you know I love ya, but....... |
I know but nothing i can think of will do more to delegitimize the federal behemoth in the eyes of the average citizen than fewer and fewer people voting. |
Why would not voting for the surfer de-legitimize the wave? |
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| richk449 wrote: | | Why would not voting for the surfer de-legitimize the wave? |
Pretty sure the average citizen thinks that voting makes the government legitimate. That seems to be what government schools teach, at least.
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