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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 5:59 am    Post subject: Obama still waffling and lying about Libya terrorist attack Reply with quote

Obama still tap-dancing, trying to get the ignorant American masses to believe that the assault on our Libyan embassy and the synchronized wave of salafist violence against U.S. embassies and interests across the Middle East on or about 9/11 are just "protests" sparked by the youtube video (and therefore not his fault), and not a foreseeable threat, orchestrated by al Qaeda or other terrorist organizations in response to U.S. policy or actions.

AQIM has already claimed responsibility for the coordinated combined-arms assault that destroyed our Libyan embassy and killed our ambassador and three other individuals, saying it was in retaliation for the Obama Administration's assassination of one of their leaders by UAV strike. As I said before, this is a new level of military sophistication for them; they probably used weapons and training gained during the "Arab Spring" revolt we aided them in there.

This is ABC News here (i.e. people who typically cover Obama's ass):
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ASHLEY HALL: Washington is still working to piece together how the men died but the Obama administration has, for the first time, called the deadly assault a "terrorist attack".

It comes after more than a week during which Democrats have come under fire from Republicans who say they've been playing down a threat they weren't prepared for.

North America correspondent Jane Cowan reports.

JANE COWAN: It was onboard Air Force One that the White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters it's "self evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack".

But when the US president Barack Obama was asked directly about that characterisation, he appeared to walk the language back.

BARACK OBAMA: We're still doing an investigation and there are going to be different circumstances in different countries and so I don't want to speak to something until we have all the information. What we do know is that the natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the video were used as an excuse by extremists to see if that can also directly harm US interests, well, we don't know yet.

JANE COWAN: The US secretary of state Hillary Clinton has given a behind-closed-doors briefing to US politicians on the attack, announcing she is forming a panel to investigate it.

Before the briefing Hillary Clinton dismissed reports in the US media that ambassador Chris Stevens had expressed fears for his own safety, including worries about the growing threat posed by al Qaeda and the suggestion that he might have been on a terrorist "hit list".


Journalist catches Senator McCain coming out of Clinton's briefing, saying he has "learned nothing new".
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JOURNALIST 2: Do you think that the administration should have known that there is...

JOHN MCCAIN: I don't know, I don't know yet. I know that four Americans are dead. When four Americans are dead there needs to be an investigation to find out. I know that this administration has a fundamental misunderstanding of what's going on in the Middle East. It's not the video, it's the radical Islamists that are trying to hijack these revolutions and when they keep blaming it on a video. It's not the video.

JANE COWAN: There are also unconfirmed suggestions the militants who launched the attack in Benghazi had help from locally hired Libyan personnel.

US officials speaking on condition of anonymity have told Reuters the possibility of collusion is a serious issue in the investigation of the attack.


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US president Barack Obama tried to step back from comments made by the White House press secretary Jay Carney that it's 'self evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack'. Mr Carney was referring to the killing of America's ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens when protestors attacked the consulate in Benghazi last week.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-21/us-administration-under-pressure-over-death-of/4274162
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:14 am    Post subject: Re: Obama still waffling over whether Libya was terrorist at Reply with quote

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Before the briefing Hillary Clinton dismissed reports in the US media that ambassador Chris Stevens had expressed fears for his own safety, including worries about the growing threat posed by al Qaeda and the suggestion that he might have been on a terrorist "hit list".

Well gee, it sure would be useful to have public access to the diplomatic cables right about now to validate that bare assertion.. oh wait, publishing those is 'terrorism' as well, right?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2012 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Revisionist.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:41 am    Post subject: Re: Obama still waffling over whether Libya was terrorist at Reply with quote

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BoneKracker wrote:
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Before the briefing Hillary Clinton dismissed reports in the US media that ambassador Chris Stevens had expressed fears for his own safety, including worries about the growing threat posed by al Qaeda and the suggestion that he might have been on a terrorist "hit list".

Well gee, it sure would be useful to have public access to the diplomatic cables right about now to validate that bare assertion.. oh wait, publishing those is 'terrorism' as well, right?

I guess we'll find out, when Obama eventually grants Bradley Manning (confined since May 2010) the "speedy trial" our Constitution guarantees him. Trial has been postponed until after the election.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obama’s Shaky Libya Narrative

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Sources say the attack on the Libyan ambassador was pre-meditated, with the possible collaboration of a Libyan politician. Eli Lake on the continuing collapse of the official U.S. line.

Ten days after the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, the White House’s official story about the incident appears to be falling apart.

In the days following the killing of the U.S. ambassador and two ex-Navy SEALs, President Obama and top State Department officials portrayed the attack as a spontaneous reaction to an Internet video depicting the Muslim prophet Mohammad as a lascivious brute. The protests, White House spokesman Jay Carney said last week, were “in response to a video—a film—that we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting.”

Now there is mounting evidence that the White House’s initial portrayal of the attacks as a mere outgrowth of protest was incorrect—or, at the very least, incomplete. The administration’s story itself has recently begun to shift, with Matthew Olsen, the director of the National Counter-Terrorism Center, telling Congress on Wednesday that the attackers may have had links to al Qaeda and Carney characterizing the incident as a “terrorist attack.” (Hillary Clinton announced on Thursday that she was putting together a panel to look into the incident.)

But other indications that the White House’s early narrative was faulty are also beginning to emerge. One current U.S. intelligence officer working on the investigation into the incident told The Daily Beast that the attackers had staked out and monitored the U.S. consulate in Benghazi before the attack, a move that suggests pre-planning.

What’s more, two U.S. intelligence officials told The Daily Beast that the intelligence community is currently analyzing an intercept between a Libyan politician whose sympathies are with al Qaeda and the Libyan militia known as the February 17 Brigade—which had been charged with providing local security to the consulate. In the intercept, the Libyan politician apparently asks an officer in the brigade to have his men stand down for a pending attack—another piece of evidence implying the violence was planned in advance. (Plenty of Libyans, of course, did try to protect the consulate. “Many of those Libyans died in the gunfight fighting off the attackers,” one of the officials said. “But there were some bad apples there as well.”)


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I couldn't have said it any better myself.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Muso wrote:
Obama’s Shaky Libya Narrative

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Sources say the attack on the Libyan ambassador was pre-meditated, with the possible collaboration of a Libyan politician. Eli Lake on the continuing collapse of the official U.S. line.

Ten days after the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, the White House’s official story about the incident appears to be falling apart.

In the days following the killing of the U.S. ambassador and two ex-Navy SEALs, President Obama and top State Department officials portrayed the attack as a spontaneous reaction to an Internet video depicting the Muslim prophet Mohammad as a lascivious brute. The protests, White House spokesman Jay Carney said last week, were “in response to a video—a film—that we have judged to be reprehensible and disgusting.”

Now there is mounting evidence that the White House’s initial portrayal of the attacks as a mere outgrowth of protest was incorrect—or, at the very least, incomplete. The administration’s story itself has recently begun to shift, with Matthew Olsen, the director of the National Counter-Terrorism Center, telling Congress on Wednesday that the attackers may have had links to al Qaeda and Carney characterizing the incident as a “terrorist attack.” (Hillary Clinton announced on Thursday that she was putting together a panel to look into the incident.)

But other indications that the White House’s early narrative was faulty are also beginning to emerge. One current U.S. intelligence officer working on the investigation into the incident told The Daily Beast that the attackers had staked out and monitored the U.S. consulate in Benghazi before the attack, a move that suggests pre-planning.

What’s more, two U.S. intelligence officials told The Daily Beast that the intelligence community is currently analyzing an intercept between a Libyan politician whose sympathies are with al Qaeda and the Libyan militia known as the February 17 Brigade—which had been charged with providing local security to the consulate. In the intercept, the Libyan politician apparently asks an officer in the brigade to have his men stand down for a pending attack—another piece of evidence implying the violence was planned in advance. (Plenty of Libyans, of course, did try to protect the consulate. “Many of those Libyans died in the gunfight fighting off the attackers,” one of the officials said. “But there were some bad apples there as well.”)


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Lying motherfuckers.

The other thing that indicates collaborative involvement of people in the Libyan military is, as I mentioned before, that the quick reaction force of Marines who were sent in by helicopter came under immediate mortar fire on their landing zone. That would only be possible, given the technology available to the terrorists, if they were warned that the Marines were coming and where they were going to land.

Other eyewitness accounts I read support the idea that the Libyan forces who were supposed to be providing security for the compound were complicit. They were described as "firing a few shots in the air" and then pulling out, presumably (at the time) because they were unwilling to fire upon their own countrymen.

It goes higher, too. It's not just the attack in Benghazi that was well-planned. There was some level of international coordination. This was obviously some big 9/11 event, intended not only as a slap in the face but a show of unity. That unity is something new and very bad.

Denial, blame-deflection and cover-ups are not the appropriate response. This is about something bigger than whether it costs Obama a half a point in the polls or something.

Also, I hope those security contractors (the former SEALs) took a few with them. The fact that the ambassador died of smoke inhalation leads me to believe that they managed to hold off the attackers enough that they resorted to burning them out.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I guess I couldn't have said it any better myself.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CNBC

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Did White House Lie About Libya Attacks?

Larry Kudlow is hearing from his beltway sources that the President may have put politics ahead of national security in the wake of the Libya attacks that killed four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens.

Kudlow, Rep. Peter King (R-NY) and other skeptics charge the administration deceived the nation when it said the attacks had not been planned in advance.

Those same skeptics say the administration via UN Ambassador Susan Rice deliberately downplayed events in Libya to preserve Obama’s image as the President who had won the war on terror by killing Osama Bin Laden.

“They sent (Susan Rice) out for political reasons,” said King on The Kudlow Report. “The Obama administration wants people to believe that the war against terror is over.”

In other words, if the White House admitted Libya was a terror attack – it would have called the campaign message into question – something Democratic strategists didn’t want to do.

Instead, the GOP says the administration shifted attention to a movie that depicted Islam’s prophet Muhammad in an unflattering light – a movie that sparked protests in Egypt – knowing that was not the catalyst.

“They wanted people to believe the violence was caused by a few malcontents,” King explained, but it was actually something much more sinister.

“They don’t want the appearance that Al Qaeda has come back but the truth is Al Qaeda has never gone away,” said King, chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security.

“I see this as nothing short of a cover up,” added Larry Kudlow.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wherever conflict is active, I assume misinformation is always a possibility. It is also the one are I think a lot of leeway has to be given to the sitting president. That said, the track record of this president doesn't instill confidence.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not only has his inept, naive foreign policy been an abject failure, but he seems to be almost a compulsive liar. He default to lying and covering up. We should be electing people who default to telling the truth.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boston Herald: "Obama's Libya story unraveling.

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How the truth hurts

Hence, White House avoids it

In the era of battling fact-checkers, I’ve developed a new standard for testing the truth of claims being made by politicians:

Would I believe what they’re saying if I heard it coming from the mouth of my teenage son?

It works like this:

Four Americans, including local hero Glen Doherty, are killed in an attack on our consulate in Libya. The White House immediately insists that their deaths have — and I’m quoting White House spokesman Jay Carney — “nothing to do with U.S. policy.” It’s all just a reaction to an offensive, anti-Muhammad YouTube video.

So I look Carney in the eye and I think to myself: “Let me see if I’ve got this straight: A group of men armed with AK-47s and rocket-propelled grenades just happens to gather outside our consulate for a “spontaneous” protest, they just happen to organize a successful two-wave attack on the compound and, by sheer coincidence, someone inside lets them know where Ambassador Christopher Stevens is hiding. Oh, and all this happened on the anniversary of 9/11 and you’re telling me it wasn’t a planned attack?”

And then I send the White House spokesflak to his room. Or I would have, anyway, if he’d been my son.

This ridiculous story was nonsense on its face. When U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice claimed the Libyan assault “was a spontaneous — not a premeditated — response to what had transpired in Cairo,” she was as credible as my 17-year-old daughter saying, “I don’t know what happened to the car, I swear! Someone must have backed into me in the parking lot!”

Of course the Obama administration’s story was bogus. The Libyans said so, a member of the administration’s own counter-terrorism office said so and, most important, your good sense said so.

Which is why nobody’s surprised to learn that, far from the “movie-review-gone-horribly-wrong” scenario from the White House, we now know there had been warnings of an attack for days, Ambassador Stevens openly worried about his safety and it appears a former Gitmo detainee and al-Qaida member was directly involved.

In fact CBS News reports that witnesses say there was no anti-American protest that day at all. None. Just a coordinated attack against an American target by a terrorist group on 9/11.

So what was the White House’s response when caught red-handed by the facts? Carney promptly announced that they’d been saying the same thing all along: “It’s self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack,” he said with a shrug.

Which is exactly what a teenager will do if you let him. Your job, as a parent and a voter, is to not let him get away with it.

Watching the violence spreading across the Middle East, did you ever buy the “this has nothing to do with Obama administration policy, it’s just a movie” line? Of course not. The White House could send 100 people out to spin, but you’d know the truth.

And that’s the point: you knew. Just like you know when your kid claims he spent the night at his friend’s house, or doesn’t know why there’s a bottle of vodka missing from the liquor cabinet — you knew.

The next 46 days will be filled with claims, counter-claims, statistics and polls. You’ll hear more excuses from the Obama campaign about the current mess they’ve created than from a teenager who blew off a term paper.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view/20220921how_the_truth_hurts_hence_white_house_avoids_it/
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