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 Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:08 am Post subject: War on Women : The White House |
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| Quote: | OBAMA WHITE HOUSE PAYS WOMEN LESS THAN MEN, RECORDS SHOW
Female employees in the Obama White House make considerably less than their male colleagues, records show.
According to the 2011 annual report on White House staff, female employees earned a median annual salary of $60,000, which was about 18 percent less than the median salary for male employees ($71,000).
Calculating the median salary for each gender required some assumptions to be made based on the employee names. When unclear, every effort was taken to determine the appropriate gender.
The Obama campaign on Wednesday lashed out at presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney for his failure to immediately endorse the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Restoration Act, a controversial law enacted in 2009 that made it easier to file discrimination lawsuits.
President Obama has frequently criticized the gender pay gap, such as the one that exists in White House.
“Paycheck discrimination hurts families who lose out on badly needed income,” he said in a July 2010 statement. “And with so many families depending on women’s wages, it hurts the American economy as a whole.”
It is not known whether any female employees at the White House have filed lawsuits under the Ledbetter Act.
The president and his Democratic allies have accused Republicans of waging a “war on women,” and have touted themselves as champions of female equality. Obama’s rhetoric, however, has not always been supported by his actions.
White House press secretary Jay Carney told reporters last week that Obama believes it is “long past the time” for women to be admitted to the traditionally all-male Augusta National Golf Club, site of the Masters golf tournament.
But the president has demonstrated a strong preference for all-male foursomes in his frequent golf outings, a bias that extends well beyond the putting green and into the Oval Office.
“Women are Obama’s base, and they don’t seem to have enough people who look like the base inside of their own inner circle,” former Clinton press secretary Dee Dee Myers told the New York Times.
In a 2011 article titled “The White House Boys’ Club: President Obama Has a Woman Problem,” TIME magazine’s Amy Sullivan detailed the president’s fondness for male-dominated environments.
“There’s a looseness to Obama when he’s hanging out with the boys club that doesn’t appear in co-ed gatherings,” she wrote. “The president blows off steam on the golf course with male colleagues and friends. He takes to the White House basketball court with NBA stars, men’s college players, and male cabinet members and members of Congress.”
As a presidential candidate in 2008, Obama was criticized for paying the women on his campaign staff less than the men, and far less than GOP opponent John McCain paid his female staffers. |
So, dummycraps, you can kindly STFU now.
Also remember, more women have played golf at the Augusta National country club than have played golf with Obama.
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If that's true, its of course a bad thing. However, my scientist alarmbell rang when I read this: "female employees earned a median annual salary of $60,000, which was about 18 percent less than the median salary for male employees ($71,000)".
We can't compare that, because we don't know what jobs those people have. You have to compare within jobs, otherwise there might be other factors at play Obama can not control.
I'm not saying it's not true, I'm saying based on that article, we don't know.
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| The Earth wrote: | | Well, what can (and has) happen is that they realize that they are but one consciousness inside of a living body. That body is the vehicle that the consciousness uses to navigate physical reality, and poisoning that vehicle will harm them. |
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| Boris27 wrote: | | We can't compare that, because we don't know what jobs those people have. You have to compare within jobs, otherwise there might be other factors at play Obama can not control. |
except many of the positions in the white house are appointed by obama himself... as president, he's team captain back in grade school making his picks. i'd be willing to bet that for most of the high paying positions, he appointed a male. i'd also be willing to bet that he appointed far more males than females. |
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| big dave wrote: | | Boris27 wrote: | | We can't compare that, because we don't know what jobs those people have. You have to compare within jobs, otherwise there might be other factors at play Obama can not control. |
except many of the positions in the white house are appointed by obama himself... as president, he's team captain back in grade school making his picks. i'd be willing to bet that for most of the high paying positions, he appointed a male. i'd also be willing to bet that he appointed far more males than females. |
How many Bosnians he appointed? None? Outrage! |
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| These crapistics have convinced me. The Republicans have won the war. |
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| ichbinsisyphos wrote: | | The Earth wrote: | | Well, what can (and has) happen is that they realize that they are but one consciousness inside of a living body. That body is the vehicle that the consciousness uses to navigate physical reality, and poisoning that vehicle will harm them. |
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I agree 100%. |
Good, maybe you're starting to grow up.
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| pitcrawler wrote: | | These crapistics have convinced me. The Republicans have won the war. |
I, for one, welcome our new Republicunt overlords. |
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| ichbinsisyphos wrote: | | pitcrawler wrote: | | These crapistics have convinced me. The Republicans have won the war. |
I, for one, welcome our new Republicunt overlords. |
I believe the American people want a man of Mormone faith to lead their country. Decision based on religious faith are never dubious and always better then what Obama would decide.
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| zixnub wrote: | | ichbinsisyphos wrote: | | pitcrawler wrote: | | These crapistics have convinced me. The Republicans have won the war. |
I, for one, welcome our new Republicunt overlords. |
I believe the American people want a man of Mormone faith to lead their country. Decision based on religious faith are never dubious and always better then what Obama would decide. |
Maybe his followers can dig up some more golden plates to sell and pay off the national debt. |
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Still an improvement over Obama's religion.
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| Boris27 wrote: | However, my scientist alarmbell rang when I read this: "female employees earned a median annual salary of $60,000, which was about 18 percent less than the median salary for male employees ($71,000)".
We can't compare that, because we don't know what jobs those people have... |
$60k is not 18% less than $71k.
It is 15% less.
$71k is 18% more than $60k; maybe they meant to say that?
Aside from a failure to do math, I don't see a problem with pointing out gender inequality. |
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| Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| richk449 wrote: | | Boris27 wrote: | However, my scientist alarmbell rang when I read this: "female employees earned a median annual salary of $60,000, which was about 18 percent less than the median salary for male employees ($71,000)".
We can't compare that, because we don't know what jobs those people have... |
$60k is not 18% less than $71k.
It is 15% less.
$71k is 18% more than $60k; maybe they meant to say that?
Aside from a failure to do math, I don't see a problem with pointing out gender inequality. |
He doesn't appear to have a problem with pointing out gender equality, just bullshit statistics.
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I'm pretty sure Hilary is a women. Probably.
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| zixnub wrote: | | ichbinsisyphos wrote: | | pitcrawler wrote: | | These crapistics have convinced me. The Republicans have won the war. |
I, for one, welcome our new Republicunt overlords. |
I believe the American people want a man of Mormone faith to lead their country. Decision based on religious faith are never dubious and always better then what Obama would decide. |
Where did that come from? Bigotry?
When has Romney said anything close to that?
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This must be the start of the Republicans trying to repair their "we hate women" damage from the primaries. Kind of a soft start but I'm sure it will get more exciting in the future. I'm also eagerly waiting on some statistics about how Democrats treat latinos.
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| Can't they have 1 bosnian in white house, just for statistics sake? I won't get in the way, hell I don't even have to be in the building. |
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maybe women earn less because, just because they are more often absent from their workplace, don't work as hard or efficient and their bitching drives down productivity?
I can't do that. I have PMS
I can't do that. I have my period.
I can't do that. I just ovulated and my ovary is aching.
I have to stay home today, my 'migraine' is acting up.
I can't do that because Shirley is a bitch
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| energyman76b wrote: | maybe women earn less because, just because they are more often absent from their workplace, don't work as hard or efficient and their bitching drives down productivity?
I can't do that. I have PMS
I can't do that. I have my period.
I can't do that. I just ovulated and my ovary is aching.
I have to stay home today, my 'migraine' is acting up.
I can't do that because Shirley is a bitch
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| big dave wrote: | | Boris27 wrote: | | We can't compare that, because we don't know what jobs those people have. You have to compare within jobs, otherwise there might be other factors at play Obama can not control. |
except many of the positions in the white house are appointed by obama himself... as president, he's team captain back in grade school making his picks. i'd be willing to bet that for most of the high paying positions, he appointed a male. i'd also be willing to bet that he appointed far more males than females. |
No bet. However, there might still be factors at play we do not see. For example: Aren't some top positions handed exclusively to military? There are probably few female generals (if any?). That's not Obama's fault.
It's also a median figure, which does not give us any idea of the spread. For example, lets assume for the moment that a lot of cleaners in the white house are female. This probably lowers the median value, just by sheer numbers. It might be the case that the second highest paying job (after president) has been handed to a female, and she is paid more than her male colleagues in similar positions. We don't know.
Again, the article might be correct. However, it has such poor statistics in it that it really does not say anything. At all. You need to look at the job spread, and possibly need to correlate within job descriptions to get a statistically significant answer.
| aidanjt wrote: | | richk449 wrote: | | Boris27 wrote: | However, my scientist alarmbell rang when I read this: "female employees earned a median annual salary of $60,000, which was about 18 percent less than the median salary for male employees ($71,000)".
We can't compare that, because we don't know what jobs those people have... |
$60k is not 18% less than $71k.
It is 15% less.
$71k is 18% more than $60k; maybe they meant to say that?
Aside from a failure to do math, I don't see a problem with pointing out gender inequality. |
He doesn't appear to have a problem with pointing out gender equality, just bullshit statistics. |
Yeah. I'm all for gender equality. These arse-pulled numbers just don't help that cause.
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| Boris27 wrote: | | No bet. However, there might still be factors at play we do not see. For example: Aren't some top positions handed exclusively to military? There are probably few female generals (if any?). That's not Obama's fault. |
Don't you read the (faux) news?!?! IT'S ALL OBAMA'S FAULT, EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!1!!11!
| Boris27 wrote: | | Yeah. I'm all for gender equality. These arse-pulled numbers just don't help that cause. |
Unfortunately, bullshit statistics and wild exaggeration, all the way to blatant lies seems to be par for the course in US political punditry.
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