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So, wouldn't that just be considered assimilating to the local culture?
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pitcrawler
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| It's sickening. Killing children and the elderly just because they got drunk. Does the military not have a vetting process that can screen these idiots out? There's no excuses. |
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wswartzendruber
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| pitcrawler wrote: | | It's sickening. Killing children and the elderly just because they got drunk. Does the military not have a vetting process that can screen these idiots out? There's no excuses. |
Drunk? Interesting. If that's the case, then several fail-safe mechanisms didn't engage. |
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/pure speculation
I don't think this was a drunk case. Could be one of revenge attacks, or just fuck you kind of attacks.
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| pjp wrote: | | So, wouldn't that just be considered assimilating to the local culture? |
No, it wouldn't. On a related note, could we skip the finger-pointing and right-back-at-you and pot-calling-kettle-black or what-have-you bickering this time? Those are among the main reasons OTW has been such a dismal place for the last few years, and they are neither enlightening nor fitting under the circumstances. |
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wswartzendruber
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| notageek wrote: | | Could be one of revenge attacks... |
No, otherwise the children would've been left completely out of it. |
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US military = terrorists by definition? Sounds like he was just the unlucky one that got caught.
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wswartzendruber
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Ssshhhhh........
I don't want everyone here knowing about all the Iraqis I ruthlessly slaughtered while on deployment. |
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| Voltago wrote: | | No, it wouldn't. |
Yeah, you're right. He used a targeted weapon.
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| Our ally. I have a bad feeling about this. |
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| pjp wrote: | | So, wouldn't that just be considered assimilating to the local culture? |
 
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| What a cowardly piece of shit. Killed nine kids. He needs to be extradited to the local authorities. An absolute disgrace to his country, family, and fellow man. |
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| ratmonkey wrote: | | What a cowardly piece of shit. Killed nine kids. He needs to be extradited to the local authorities. An absolute disgrace to his country, family, and fellow man. |
Agreed.
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wswartzendruber
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| Just shoot him and get it over with. |
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The guy probably went mental. Interestingly, this is another Infantry Staff Sergeant (same rank and MOS as the guy who was the main culprit in those "kill team" murders".
That rank kind of lines up with who would have the most actual trigger time over this period of extended deployment. These guys could conceivably be on their third or fourth deployment, and unlike most, having spent all that time in actual combat, and now with the responsibility for a dozen guys.
And now they are being told by their leaders they are there to help the Afghani people, and yet the Afghani people are shooting at them, throwing Molotov cocktails at them, and setting them up for ambushes.
Anybody remember me saying two years ago the "half-surge" was nothing but a recipe for Vietnam 2.0, that we needed to either "go big" or "pull out and revert to hit-and run tactics without the nation-bulding"? Well, this strikes me as very Vietnamish.
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wswartzendruber
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| Wanting to gun down every defenseless bastard in your sight is one thing. Doing it is another. |
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| wswartzendruber wrote: | | Wanting to gun down every defenseless bastard in your sight is one thing. Doing it is another. |
Yeah, the difference between sanity and insanity, perhaps. All I'm saying is this guy probably "went nuts", and the sooner the U.S. authorities explain that to the Afghanis, the better. They'll understand that. They won't be happy, but they'll understand it.
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wswartzendruber
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Do you really expect them to care? Look at them! They rioted over books being burned, most (if not all) of which had already been written in.
I say, fuck those assholes, let's pack-up and go home. The Army and Marine Corps have both been working around-the-year deployment shifts for the last decade. AFAIK, that's more than any other volunteer armed force has ever done.
EDIT: And treating the Marine Corps like an occupational force should be a sign in itself that things are off. |
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pitcrawler
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| notageek wrote: | /pure speculation
I don't think this was a drunk case. Could be one of revenge attacks, or just fuck you kind of attacks. |
Not necessarily speculation. It was a witness statement mentioned in the various articles.
| http://news.yahoo.com/sixteen-afghan-civilians-killed-rogue-u-attack-003144067.html wrote: | An Afghan man said his children were killed and accused soldiers of burning the bodies.
"I saw that all 11 of my relatives were killed, including my children and grandchildren," a weeping Haji Samad said after returning to find the walls of his home splattered with blood.
"They (Americans) poured chemicals over their dead bodies and burned them," Samad told Reuters at the scene.
Neighbors said they had awoken to crackling gunfire from American soldiers, who they described as laughing and drunk.
"They were all drunk and shooting all over the place," said Agha Lala, who visited one of the homes where killings took place. "Their (the victims') bodies were riddled with bullets."
A senior U.S. defense official in Washington rejected witness accounts that several apparently drunk soldiers were involved. "Based on the preliminary information we have this account is flatly wrong," the official said. "We believe one U.S. service member acted alone, not a group of U.S. soldiers." |
We'll have to wait and see. Based on past cases, I'd give the witness statement and the US military statement about the same credibility at the moment. |
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| wswartzendruber wrote: | | Do you really expect them to care? |
No, and I don't really care about them in general. I personally don't care if they make North Korea look successful.
What I do care about is that the soldier isn't sacrificed for political reasons.
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| pjp wrote: | | What I do care about is that the soldier isn't sacrificed for political reasons. |
Who says he will be? Why are you so quick to defend him? If he did what they say he did then there's not really any defense. |
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Who says he won't be? Pawns are often sacrificed for political reasons. Why are you so quick to convict him? Innocent until proven guilty, and it is likely due to the psychological impact of long term exposure to war. So absolutely that should be taken into account.
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