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 Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 12:51 am Post subject: Russians break through to Lake Vostock |
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| Quote: | With an area of 15,000 square km and with depths reaching more than 800m, Lake Vostok is similar in size to Lake Baikal in Siberia or Lake Ontario in North America.
More than 300 such bodies of water have now been identified across Antarctica. They are kept liquid by geothermal heat and pressure, and are part of a vast and dynamic hydrological network at play under the ice sheet.
Some of the lakes are connected, and will exchange water. But some may be completely cut off, in which case their water may have been resident in one place for thousands if not millions of years. Russian researchers will try to establish just how isolated Lake Vostok has been. If it has been sealed then micro-organisms new to science are very likely to have evolved in the lake.
Nonetheless, there will be concerns about introducing contamination, and there have been criticisms of the methods used by the Vostok drilling team.
Vladimir Chuprov, from Greenpeace Russia, commented: "There is a set of risks which can damage this relic lake and some of them are connected with polluting the lake with the drilling fluids, as well as other stuff that can get into this unique lake." |
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-16907998
Yeah, and there's also a risk that stuff will get out, like pathogens humans have never been exposed to.
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At least Dmitrii Arnesschenko is there.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | Yeah, and there's also a risk that stuff will get out, like pathogens humans have never been exposed to. |
Movie starring _____ in 2 years?
Hoffman? Dwayne Johnson?
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| Old School wrote: | | At least Dmitrii Arnesschenko is there. |
Who?
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| pjp wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Yeah, and there's also a risk that stuff will get out, like pathogens humans have never been exposed to. |
Movie starring _____ in 2 years?
Hoffman? Dwayne Johnson? |
It's the size of lake Ontario. There could be a pre-ice-age civilization living under there. Telepathic, translucent squid smart enough to get into MENSA. Or Australopithecus Afarensis living beneath glass bubbles with geothermal grow-lights. Or maybe there's a set of stairs leading down to the control panel for the planet, which is actually a space ship with a billion years worth of barnacles and slime built up on it (of which we are part). That's just one of hundreds of interconnected lakes.
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God trapped predators down there and designed their release for when we caused catastrophic climate change. The Mayans weren't wrong!
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | At least Dmitrii Arnesschenko is there. |
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James Arness.
Sheesh. 
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:52 am Post subject: |
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| Old School wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | At least Dmitrii Arnesschenko is there. |
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James Arness.
Sheesh. |
He would have said that if he wanted it to be that easy. Now everyone knows what he meant. Thanks for ruining an obtuse film reference for the rest of us.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| dwbowyer wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | At least Dmitrii Arnesschenko is there. |
Who? |
James Arness.
Sheesh. |
He would have said that if he wanted it to be that easy. Now everyone knows what he meant. Thanks for ruining an obtuse film reference for the rest of us.
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You mean he as in the same guy you are chastising?
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:26 am Post subject: Re: Russians break through to Lake Vostock |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | Quote: | | micro-organisms new to science are very likely to have evolved in the lake. |
...risk that stuff will get out, like pathogens humans have never been exposed to |
Well, the risk is IMHO close to inexistent.
- If you mean a mineral-chemical pathogen then it is unlikely because the composition of the ice has been carefully analysed during the drilling.
It would be surprising if the components of the "surface" of the lake were significantly different or at least unpredictable from the components of the ultimate last meters of ice found before opening.
- If you mean biological then it is as well unlikely as (analysis should confirm this soon) the water of the lake contains 20 to 30 times more oxygen than normal water. That is to say that the concentration in hydrogen peroxyde is very high. As everybody know, hydrogen peroxyde is a good biocide.
But yes there is a significant risk of chemically polluting this lake as... nobody can tell if the russians actually used the products that were recommended or if they carried on with their original and less expensive but more harmful method. 
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:28 am Post subject: Re: Russians break through to Lake Vostock |
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| BoneKracker wrote: |
Yeah, and there's also a risk that stuff will get out, like pathogens humans have never been exposed to. |
How did those pathogens survive in the lake for thousands of years without humans to infect?
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| The Earth wrote: | | dwbowyer wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | At least Dmitrii Arnesschenko is there. |
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James Arness.
Sheesh. |
He would have said that if he wanted it to be that easy. Now everyone knows what he meant. Thanks for ruining an obtuse film reference for the rest of us.
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You mean he as in the same guy you are chastising? |
I thought it quite witty, actually. 
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| Old School wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | At least Dmitrii Arnesschenko is there. |
Who? |
James Arness.
Sheesh. |
That was his real name?
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I hope not. 
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| Old School wrote: | | I hope not. |
So, you thought people who realize you were making reference to "James Arness" (a.k.a. "Matt Dillon", fictional gun-slinging U.S. Marshall, who has no business being mentioned in the context of drilling through the ice to Lake Vostock), by posting "Dmitrii Arnesschenko"?
Must be some good shit you're smoking.
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It's new form of meta humour. Totally random and subtle. You're not supposed to get it.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | I hope not. |
So, you thought people who realize you were making reference to "James Arness" (a.k.a. "Matt Dillon", fictional gun-slinging U.S. Marshall, who has no business being mentioned in the context of drilling through the ice to Lake Vostock), by posting "Dmitrii Arnesschenko"?
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Dude, Arness played the Thing in the 1951 classic The Thing, which is a story of an alien recovered out of the (in this case) Arctic ice. Said alien then goes on the typical rampage.
Sheesh. Do I have to draw you a picture?
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| Old School wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Old School wrote: | | I hope not. |
So, you thought people who realize you were making reference to "James Arness" (a.k.a. "Matt Dillon", fictional gun-slinging U.S. Marshall, who has no business being mentioned in the context of drilling through the ice to Lake Vostock), by posting "Dmitrii Arnesschenko"?
Must be some good shit you're smoking. |
Dude, Arness played the Thing in the 1951 classic The Thing, which is a story of an alien recovered out of the (in this case) Arctic ice. Said alien then goes on the typical rampage.
Sheesh. Do I have to draw you a picture? |
I think that bit of trivia was actually buried in a crusty brain cell somewhere. It wasn't call The Thing, though. You're thinking of the '80s remake with Kurt Russel. The original was called, "The Thing from Another World".
You know what though? You know trivia about movies, the remakes of which have themselves been remade. You know how old that makes you?
I've always thought that original version was best, though (at least in terms of acting, if not special effects).
None of this excuses your "Dimitrii Arnessschenko" though. I'm going to make a guess here: do your daughters make fun of you for bad jokes and making up nonsense words, and wandering around the house muttering them?
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | It wasn't call The Thing, though. |
How is babby formed?
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Fail. Not similar or egregious enough. You sounded just like it.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | None of this excuses your "Dimitrii Arnessschenko" though. I'm going to make a guess here: do your daughters make fun of you for bad jokes and making up nonsense words, and wandering around the house muttering them? |
They have been talking again.
*grumble grumble*
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| Old School wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | None of this excuses your "Dimitrii Arnessschenko" though. I'm going to make a guess here: do your daughters make fun of you for bad jokes and making up nonsense words, and wandering around the house muttering them? |
They have been talking again.
*grumble grumble* |
It's an affliction shared by all the males in my family.
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| Old School wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | None of this excuses your "Dimitrii Arnessschenko" though. I'm going to make a guess here: do your daughters make fun of you for bad jokes and making up nonsense words, and wandering around the house muttering them? :P |
They have been talking again.
*grumble grumble* |
As long as you aren't hording too, it's probably harmless.
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Well; that kinda depends on one's definition of hoarding.
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Hoarding is "collecting" that's gotten out of hand.
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