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 Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:07 pm Post subject: Global Warming Wreaks Havoc Across Europe |
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| Quote: | BUCHAREST — Nine Romanian children were taken into care after a baby died in an unheated house, joining at least 189 others killed by a Siberian front which strengthened its hold over Eastern Europe on Friday and spread further west.
Temperatures plummeted to -37 C in northern Slovakia and rescue workers dug through snow on mountain roads to rescue stranded bus passengers in the Balkans.
In Romania, 80 per cent of the Danube river was frozen over stopping ships sailing to the Black Sea, but the biggest concern was for children in the European Union's second poorest country.
Child protection officers in the city of Iasi took three girls into care after a four-month-old baby died in an unheated house where temperatures dipped as low as -20 C.
"These children were already suffering from malnutrition. When the cold hit, their situation went from bad to worse to catastrophic," a spokesman told Reuters.
As many as 15,000 children in Iasi may be at risk from the cold and a further six children had been taken into care, the spokesman said. The cold snap has so far killed 24 people in Romania and 11 in neighbouring Bulgaria.
The European Union said the supply of Russian gas fell further to some Eastern European states as well as Italy, Greece and Austria, but said it was not yet facing an emergency. All EU states have obtained extra gas from other sources.
In Ukraine 101 people have now died - a further 38 in the past 24 hours - and supermarkets are short of food as trucks struggle to make deliveries. Eight more have died in Poland since Thursday. |
| Quote: | However, those words were little comfort to many in the Balkans where fresh snow overnight added to the crisis.
The Serbian government has so far declared a state of emergency in 19 municipalities in the south and east, where six people have died from cold.
In the southern region of Svrljig, firefighters worked for hours to evacuate passengers from a bus stranded on a mountain road, while a second bus was trapped by an avalanche in the eastern Bosnian village of Krupac. No casualties were reported.
"The situation has worsened," said Predrag Maric, head of the Serbian Interior Ministry's Department for Emergencies.
A funeral procession near the border with Macedonia was stuck for four hours and had to transfer the coffin to a 4x4 jeep. In the northern town of Ecka, workers in a local fishery had to use pneumatic drills to break ice and get to the fish.
"I have not seen anything like this for more than two decades," said fisherman Nikola Kircic.
Local hunters were using tractors to take food to animals in the mountains of southwestern Satornja.
"Roe deer and other small game are on the verge of starvation as the grass is under heavy snow," said local hunter Momir Nikolic. |
| Quote: | Croatia's Adriatic coast and many of its islands were blanketed in snow - rare so far south - covering palm trees in the port of Split and bringing some residents out on skis.
The island of Solta, just off Split, saw 30 cm of snow.
Across the Adriatic in Italy, the heaviest snowfall in the capital Rome since the 1980s closed tourists attractions including the Colosseum and the Forum.
An 82-year-old man became the first casualty in France after dying of hypothermia on Friday. The man had left his house in eastern France with just his pyjamas to protect him from -14 C temperatures.
Lorry traffic across the south of the country was suspended.
In the Baltic states, no strangers to cold weather, parts of eastern Latvia and Lithuania saw record lows of -30 C, and lender Swedbank warned some cash machines would break down.
The Czech Republic's capital Prague shut a major section of the city's ring road after a burst pipe sprayed water across the highway, creating a 400-metre-long sheet of ice.
An emergency services spokesman there said one man had apparently used the cold to commit suicide. "He drank a bottle of alcohol, took his clothes off and sat in a park." |
http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/Romania+rescues+children+Europe+freeze+deepens/6098385/story.html
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It's cold because it's warm!
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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How many times do I have to tell You? It is not Global Warming, it is Global Climate Change.
Too hot. Man's fault. Too cold. Yeah, you guessed it.
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*facepalm*
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I think you must admit that whenever there is a heat wave, the Global Warming zealots start fapping about Global Warming. So how does this make any less sense?
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Think we are mixing two issues:
1.) its a climate change
2.) to what extent is it man-made
1.) as I understand it, global warming, doesnt mean that one should buy beach property in Sweden, but it means that water that covers what 70% of surface gets warmer, and this leads to more EXTREME weather, as there is more thermodynamic exchange that goes around. So summer temperatures in mediterranean become higher, and in winter time, instead of rains, we get snow. Sahara and australia will get dryer, etc.
2.) surely we are contributing but we are not sole factor in this. There have been ice ages and cycles before, and they will keep on going with or without or help. The issue is if we shorten the cycle or make them more extreme, and common sense may suggest that it may well be so. Tho I think that it is not so much because we are not driving Priuses, but because we are deforesting. And it is because deforestation that a second-hand diesel car is more environmentally friendly then ethanol cars.
But thats me, how I get things, trying to read between the lines of various interests groups, and yes environmentalists are an interest group as well, there is lot of marketing and fad going on to launch new product and profile yourself as cool, it just so happens that green is cool nowadays, but Im not sure if its actually helping, rather the opposite. The message that should be heard, and the research data that should be gathered gets skewed out of proportions, and thus just gives the ammo to the opposition interest groups.
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global warming means overall warming. Colder winters are not only possible, they are predicted by many models. Hotter summers, colder winters with an overall average moving up the scale.
So... instant failure - again?
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | I think you must admit that whenever there is a heat wave, the Global Warming zealots start fapping about Global Warming. |
Didn't notice anybody doing that recently (i. e. at all). How about waiting until somebody actually does that, and shutting the fuck up until then? |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | I think you must admit that whenever there is a heat wave, the Global Warming zealots start fapping about Global Warming. So how does this make any less sense? |
It doesn't. Congratulations, you have proven that you can be as stupid as others. |
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| richk449 wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | I think you must admit that whenever there is a heat wave, the Global Warming zealots start fapping about Global Warming. So how does this make any less sense? |
It doesn't. Congratulations, you have proven that you can be as stupid as others. |
Thank you. The Samurai called this tactic "divine wind".
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| Voltago wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | I think you must admit that whenever there is a heat wave, the Global Warming zealots start fapping about Global Warming. |
Didn't notice anybody doing that recently (i. e. at all). How about waiting until somebody actually does that, and shutting the fuck up until then? |
Because then it wouldn't be the middle of a brutal cold snap now would it, Einstein. 
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | richk449 wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | I think you must admit that whenever there is a heat wave, the Global Warming zealots start fapping about Global Warming. So how does this make any less sense? |
It doesn't. Congratulations, you have proven that you can be as stupid as others. |
Thank you. The Samurai called this tactic "divine wind". |
Around these parts, we call it, BS.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | richk449 wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | I think you must admit that whenever there is a heat wave, the Global Warming zealots start fapping about Global Warming. So how does this make any less sense? |
It doesn't. Congratulations, you have proven that you can be as stupid as others. |
Thank you. The Samurai called this tactic "divine wind". |
Does waiting for a typhoon qualify as a tactic? |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | Voltago wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | I think you must admit that whenever there is a heat wave, the Global Warming zealots start fapping about Global Warming. |
Didn't notice anybody doing that recently (i. e. at all). How about waiting until somebody actually does that, and shutting the fuck up until then? |
Because then it wouldn't be the middle of a brutal cold snap now would it, Einstein. |
a cold snap that is not unusual and fits nicely with global warming. So if this cold snap would be unusual, it would just support global warming. So.. what is it, Einstein?
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| energyman76b wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Voltago wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | I think you must admit that whenever there is a heat wave, the Global Warming zealots start fapping about Global Warming. |
Didn't notice anybody doing that recently (i. e. at all). How about waiting until somebody actually does that, and shutting the fuck up until then? |
Because then it wouldn't be the middle of a brutal cold snap now would it, Einstein. |
a cold snap that is not unusual and fits nicely with global warming. So if this cold snap would be unusual, it would just support global warming. So.. what is it, Einstein? |
I don't think you understand what I meant.
First of all, I am only facetiously using this cold snap to mock global warming zealots as a way of pointing out how stupid it is when they do the same thing (e.g., during a heat wave, talking about how we better used to it, because it's global warming).
Secondly, when I said, "then it wouldn't be in the middle of a brutal cold snap", what I mean is, "if I waited until somebody was talking about how a heat wave was the result of global warming before I made this point, then I wouldn't be able to make this point, because making this point depends on it being in the middle of a cold snap."
In other words, I can't exactly say, "Ooh, look at the global warming" (while pointing to an arctic freeze), if there's no arctic freeze going on. If I wait for somebody to say, "We better get used to heat like this because it's global warming.", then at that time, there would be no arctic freeze to point to.
I hope that clarifies the matter for you.
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You all don't understand, he's just bonekrackering for educational purposes.
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the problem is, according to the models you CAN point at the freeze and say 'look, global warming'.
'global warming' results in more extremes. Extreme temperatures in summer AND winter. It doesn't average out. Which is part of the problem.
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| energyman76b wrote: | the problem is, according to the models you CAN point at the freeze and say 'look, global warming'.
'global warming' results in more extremes. Extreme temperatures in summer AND winter. It doesn't average out. Which is part of the problem. |
That's what old school already said.
I think it's remarkably convenient how this idea of "climate change" being generally disruptive to weather patterns emerged around the time it became apparent that the average temperature was, in fact, no longer increasing (and hasn't increased in like a decade).
But this is beside my point. My point is simply: ooh, look at teh global warming!
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | the problem is, according to the models you CAN point at the freeze and say 'look, global warming'.
'global warming' results in more extremes. Extreme temperatures in summer AND winter. It doesn't average out. Which is part of the problem. |
That's what old school already said.
I think it's remarkably convenient how this idea of "climate change" being generally disruptive to weather patterns emerged around the time it became apparent that the average temperature was, in fact, no longer increasing (and hasn't increased in like a decade).
But this is beside my point. My point is simply: ooh, look at teh global warming! |
so, you don't have a point at all and just wanted to exercise your rusty trolling skills?
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| energyman76b wrote: | global warming means overall warming. Colder winters are not only possible, they are predicted by many models. Hotter summers, colder winters with an overall average moving up the scale.
So... instant failure - again? |
You are being quite obtuse when you are basically arguing the same thing. I was just pointing out the perspective that water mass of earth works as catalyst and drive in thermodynamic exchange so you get warmer summers and colder winters, or more rainfall etc.
Which, if you sail, you kinda learn when observing wind patterns and cycles.
You assuming that people claim that it averages out, and thus you attacking it and trying to prove something is only proof that you can be a dick sometimes, just like everybody else. |
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| energyman76b wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | the problem is, according to the models you CAN point at the freeze and say 'look, global warming'.
'global warming' results in more extremes. Extreme temperatures in summer AND winter. It doesn't average out. Which is part of the problem. |
That's what old school already said.
I think it's remarkably convenient how this idea of "climate change" being generally disruptive to weather patterns emerged around the time it became apparent that the average temperature was, in fact, no longer increasing (and hasn't increased in like a decade).
But this is beside my point. My point is simply: ooh, look at teh global warming! |
so, you don't have a point at all and just wanted to exercise your rusty trolling skills? |
I was planting a seed of thought to help global warming zealots keep their drippy pie-holes closed when the heat wave comes this Summer, and not tell me that it's global warming.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | the problem is, according to the models you CAN point at the freeze and say 'look, global warming'.
'global warming' results in more extremes. Extreme temperatures in summer AND winter. It doesn't average out. Which is part of the problem. |
That's what old school already said.
I think it's remarkably convenient how this idea of "climate change" being generally disruptive to weather patterns emerged around the time it became apparent that the average temperature was, in fact, no longer increasing (and hasn't increased in like a decade).
But this is beside my point. My point is simply: ooh, look at teh global warming! |
so, you don't have a point at all and just wanted to exercise your rusty trolling skills? |
I was planting a seed of thought to help global warming zealots keep their drippy pie-holes closed when the heat wave comes this Summer, and not tell me that it's global warming. |
Admit it, you just dont like 20 year olds (or adults with such brain) that adapt a fad in order to appear more evolved, mature, intelligent and savvy, when we all know its just to get laid. I mean if I was 20 now, man I would be a Greenpeace activist like nobody before and get so much pussy. On the other hand, in my 20s I did some other stupid stuff that I thought would get me pussy. Mostly it had nothing to do with it.  |
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| Prenj wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | the problem is, according to the models you CAN point at the freeze and say 'look, global warming'.
'global warming' results in more extremes. Extreme temperatures in summer AND winter. It doesn't average out. Which is part of the problem. |
That's what old school already said.
I think it's remarkably convenient how this idea of "climate change" being generally disruptive to weather patterns emerged around the time it became apparent that the average temperature was, in fact, no longer increasing (and hasn't increased in like a decade).
But this is beside my point. My point is simply: ooh, look at teh global warming! |
so, you don't have a point at all and just wanted to exercise your rusty trolling skills? |
I was planting a seed of thought to help global warming zealots keep their drippy pie-holes closed when the heat wave comes this Summer, and not tell me that it's global warming. |
Admit it, you just dont like 20 year olds (or adults with such brain) that adapt a fad in order to appear more evolved, mature, intelligent and savvy, when we all know its just to get laid. I mean if I was 20 now, man I would be a Greenpeace activist like nobody before and get so much pussy. On the other hand, in my 20s I did some other stupid stuff that I thought would get me pussy. Mostly it had nothing to do with it. |
I think I'll give up work and go camp out in one of those Occupy protests and see if I can get some clusterfuck.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | I think I'll give up work and go camp out in one of those Occupy protests and see if I can get some clusterfuck. |
Exactly. |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | I think I'll give up work and go camp out in one of those Occupy protests and see if I can get some clusterfuck. |
You're thinking of congress.
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