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 Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:00 pm Post subject: Calif Professor Wants to Tax & Regulate Sugar Like Alcoh |
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| Quote: | Opinion: Why we should regulate sugar like alcohol
CNN) -- I am a medical sociologist, which means I study the health of whole societies. I've spent more than 20 years studying the best possible ways to address alcohol problems in societies -- what works and what doesn't to protect people from harm.
I work as a professor in the University of California, San Francisco School of Medicine and at the UCSF Clinical and Translational Science Institute. This allows me to connect with other scientists who come from very different backgrounds but who want to work together on big problems -- think of a Manhattan Project, only one focused on protecting health through the collaboration of scientists who study everything from tiny cells to entire societies. |
<hundreds of words to say too much sugar is bad for you>
| Quote: | What should we do about all this?
First, we think that the public needs to be better informed about the science of how sugar impacts our health.
Second, we need to take what we know about protecting societies from the health harms of alcohol and apply it to sugar.
What doesn't work is all-out prohibition -- that's very old-school and often creates more problems than it solves.
What does work are gentle "supply side" controls, such as taxing products, setting age limits and promoting healthier versions of the product -- like making it cheaper for a person to drink light beer rather than schnapps. |
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/01/health/opinion-regulate-sugar-alcohol/index.html
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| If only we could regulate stupid like heroin |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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If you have trouble handling the sugar, you should get out of OTW.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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how about less regulation? Just cut the funding of corn farmers and corn syrup and the sugar problem solves itself. Also: much money saved.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| energyman76b wrote: | | how about less regulation? Just cut the funding of corn farmers and corn syrup and the sugar problem solves itself. Also: much money saved. |
Indeed.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| energyman76b wrote: | | how about less regulation? Just cut the funding of corn farmers and corn syrup and the sugar problem solves itself. Also: much money saved. |
How is that going to do anything but alter the source of the sweeteners?
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| pjp wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | how about less regulation? Just cut the funding of corn farmers and corn syrup and the sugar problem solves itself. Also: much money saved. |
How is that going to do anything but alter the source of the sweeteners? |
corn based sweeteners are in everything because the US has both tax and grant subsidies for corn farmers. this keeps the cost of corn incredibly low, and it's why the US is one of the biggest exporters & growers of corn on the planet.
this is the only reason why corn syrup is in soft drinks in the US, but the rest of the planet uses real sugar... corn syrup is simply cheaper in the US. |
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Right. That keeps foreign sugar out of the country. Without subsidies, that's just going to let they-took-our-jobs sweeteners into the country. The products aren't going to use less sweeteners.
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You actually have sugar quotas as well, which additionally artificially ramps up the price of real sugar.
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| big dave wrote: | | pjp wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | how about less regulation? Just cut the funding of corn farmers and corn syrup and the sugar problem solves itself. Also: much money saved. |
How is that going to do anything but alter the source of the sweeteners? |
corn based sweeteners are in everything because the US has both tax and grant subsidies for corn farmers. this keeps the cost of corn incredibly low, and it's why the US is one of the biggest exporters & growers of corn on the planet.
this is the only reason why corn syrup is in soft drinks in the US, but the rest of the planet uses real sugar... corn syrup is simply cheaper in the US. |
The fact that corn happens to grow very well in many parts of the U.S. also has something to do with it. Otherwise, we'd be farming sugar cane in Nebraska.
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| aidanjt wrote: | | You actually have sugar quotas as well, which additionally artificially ramps up the price of real sugar. |
Not all that related to the issue of regulating sugar like alcohol.
Those under-age still manage to obtain alcohol & become alcoholics. Adults still abuse alcohol. ...
Promoting healthy alternatives hasn't seemed to prevent the type 2 diabetes & obesity epidemics.
What this screams is an attempt to keep his job through a tax.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| The Earth wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | how about less regulation? Just cut the funding of corn farmers and corn syrup and the sugar problem solves itself. Also: much money saved. |
Indeed. |
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| pjp wrote: | | Right. That keeps foreign sugar out of the country. Without subsidies, that's just going to let they-took-our-jobs sweeteners into the country. The products aren't going to use less sweeteners. |
which would be a good thing.
http://www.atkins.com/Science/Articles---Library/General-Health-Issues/More-Dangers-of-High-Fructose-Corn-Syrup.aspx?articleId=87
| Quote: | In a recent study, overweight and obese adults were instructed to eat their usual diet along with sugar sweetened beverages. One group was asked to consume 25% of the day's calorie requirement as a specially made beverage sweetened with glucose. The other group was given an identical beverage sweetened with fructose. Both groups were allowed to eat as little or as much of their usual diet as they wanted, but were required to drink the sugar beverages.
Not surprisingly, all subjects gained weight. But the fructose-consuming subjects gained intra-abdominal fat, whereas the glucose subjects did not.
Why does this matter? Because intra-abdominal fat- the kind that makes you more of an apple than a pear- is the most dangerous kind of fat to carry around. It puts you at greater risk for diabetes, heart disease and a constellation of symptoms called Metabolic Syndrome, an almost certain path to either heart disease or diabetes. The fructose-consuming subjects also had increases in fasting insulin and in fasting glucose, both of which are associated with a greater risk of metabolic syndrome and diabetes. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| juniper wrote: | | The Earth wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | how about less regulation? Just cut the funding of corn farmers and corn syrup and the sugar problem solves itself. Also: much money saved. |
Indeed. |
++ biggest welfare recipients on the planet. |
Besides Federal Bureaucrats.
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| tylerwylie wrote: | | juniper wrote: | | The Earth wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | how about less regulation? Just cut the funding of corn farmers and corn syrup and the sugar problem solves itself. Also: much money saved. |
Indeed. |
++ biggest welfare recipients on the planet. |
Besides Federal Bureaucrats. |
At least farmers make shit. Bureaucrats don't make anything except more complications and work for themselves. |
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| The Earth wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | how about less regulation? Just cut the funding of corn farmers and corn syrup and the sugar problem solves itself. Also: much money saved. |
Indeed. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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how about we tax fucking corn syrup
and while we're at it, end the fucking corn subsidy
you could end the bulk of the country's health problems overnight if you got rid of fucking corn syrup
and yeah, we've had that discussion before, some of you claim there's no difference; I have no interest in debating it further, those who hold this view are flatly wrong. |
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| cach0rr0 wrote: | how about we tax fucking corn syrup
and while we're at it, end the fucking corn subsidy
you could end the bulk of the country's health problems overnight if you got rid of fucking corn syrup
and yeah, we've had that discussion before, some of you claim there's no difference; I have no interest in debating it further, those who hold this view are flatly wrong. |
5$/kg corn syrup, spent for health care and all your problems would be solved.
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How about $5/lb tax on all food except whole wheat tofu ass, and then we can use the money to put everybody into little vats like in in The Matrix -- problem solved.
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| energyman76b wrote: |
5$/kg corn syrup, spent for health care and all your problems would be solved. |
the bulk of our top causes of death stem from obesity
the correlation between corn syrup and obesity, between corn syrup and insulin uptake, is very pronounced.
Cut that out, we're probably only "as fat as other Western nations", and not "fatter", and just maybe possibly some of these very preventable causes of ill health go away. |
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| Naib wrote: | | which would be a good thing. |
That's fine. But it isn't regulating it "like alcohol." That's all I'm getting at.
Also, some US agency looking out for You, US Citizen, decided pink slime was perfectly fine because the ammonia killed the bacteria.
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| we should tax suggestions on taxes. the tax is equal to a year's worth of payment of the tax. so for example, when warren buffet suggests we should raise tax rates for rich people, the gov would literally take billions from him simply for suggesting it. that way, everyone who suggested a tax would have to bear the full shit of it before it could even be enacted. |
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Good idea.
Although I find it interesting none of them argue for lowering taxes.
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| pjp wrote: | | Although I find it interesting none of them argue for lowering taxes. |
Probably because you have Olympian budget deficits and debt levels which need to be paid for with real money rather than pretend money. You have to cut frivolous spending before you reduce your income. Especially when you're living 'day to day' like the US government.
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| The Earth wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | how about less regulation? Just cut the funding of corn farmers and corn syrup and the sugar problem solves itself. Also: much money saved. |
Indeed. |
| cach0rr0 wrote: | how about we tax fucking corn syrup
and while we're at it, end the fucking corn subsidy |
Didn't I read recently that subsidies to corn growers have finally ended?
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