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| BoneKracker wrote: | | erm67 wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Virgin and Extra Virgin ... |
BTW that is the EU regulation for oil, is that valid/binding in the US as well? |
I think the U.S. has an old standard that is being replaced with the one in common international use in Europe, but this terminology has become the de facto standard. |
So there extra virgin oil with 1% acidity can be sold, while here it is considered fraud. I remember a few case where oil non conforming to EU regulation was initially confiscated than released because it was for export.
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That's because Italians have better taste than everyone else. I learned that from watching Jersey Shore.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | That's because Italians have better taste than everyone else. I learned that from watching Jersey Shore. |
hehehe only a couple of them are Italian, their spell in Florence didn't go too well. The (italo)Americans are always a bit strange, I met a couple of days ago two Italians that moved to Toronto 15y ago and came back for the first time in 10 y. They were normal when they left 15y ago but now they really have some similarities with the Jersey Shore guys.
btw. you cannot identify the acidity of oil with the taste, there is a tester for that, or empirically determining the smoke point.
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erm67, here's a sad fact. The number of viewers for the last CNN debate was right about 5 million. Jersey Shore pulled in 6.2 million.
This is how Obama got elected.
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| erm67 wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | That's because Italians have better taste than everyone else. I learned that from watching Jersey Shore. |
hehehe only a couple of them are Italian, their spell in Florence didn't go too well. The (italo)Americans are always a bit strange, I met a couple of days ago two Italians that moved to Toronto 15y ago and came back for the first time in 10 y. They were normal when they left 15y ago but now they really have some similarities with the Jersey Shore guys.
btw. you cannot identify the acidity of oil with the taste, there is a tester for that, or empirically determining the smoke point. |
All emmigrants change and become weird, partly because the new environment rubs off on you, and partly when living abroad, your ethnic identity gets an artificial boost because you are not just a person anymore, you are "the immigrant" or "the italian". So you find yourself defending your national pride, even tho you don't really give a damn about it in first place. |
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All emmigrants change and become weird, partly because the new environment rubs off on you, and partly when living abroad, your ethnic identity gets an artificial boost because you are not just a person anymore, you are "the immigrant" or "the italian". So you find yourself defending your national pride, even tho you don't really give a damn about it in first place. |
That is when they are abroad when they came back they are 'the americans' or 'the australian' (even worse) and find themselves defending the country where they live even if there they don't give a f* about that.
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| erm67 wrote: | | Prenj wrote: |
All emmigrants change and become weird, partly because the new environment rubs off on you, and partly when living abroad, your ethnic identity gets an artificial boost because you are not just a person anymore, you are "the immigrant" or "the italian". So you find yourself defending your national pride, even tho you don't really give a damn about it in first place. |
That is when they are abroad when they came back they are 'the americans' or 'the australian' (even worse) and find themselves defending the country where they live even if there they don't give a f* about that. |
Yeah that too. Abroad they defend their home country, at home they defend the new one. Always between the worlds, but not quite in either of them.
It is also prompted by people in home country not recognizing them as "kosher" anymore, they pick up on subtle differences and start grilling them for it. Which drives the defensive behaviour. But trust me, when they visit home country, they just want to be themselves, however weird they became, because it is hard to be yourself as an immigrant in foreign country, some local dimwit always finds it is his holy duty to correct you. |
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| Prenj wrote: | | All emmigrants change and become weird, partly because the new environment rubs off on you, and partly when living abroad, your ethnic identity gets an artificial boost because you are not just a person anymore, you are "the immigrant" or "the italian". So you find yourself defending your national pride, even tho you don't really give a damn about it in first place. |
True. In New York City, the Italians and Irish have been at each other's throats for a hundred years. 
Separately, for reasons I have yet to fully grasp, African Americans (not recent immigrants, but those of the well-established African American sub-culture), seem to hate East Asians (i.e., "Orientals"), and vice-versa. Why this is, I do not know.
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True. In New York City, the Italians and Irish have been at each other's throats for a hundred years.
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Curiously there are a lot of Irish-Italian couples (rigorously married in the church with 10 childrens )  Yeah, Irish woman still have the concept of family ...
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| erm67 wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: |
True. In New York City, the Italians and Irish have been at each other's throats for a hundred years.
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Curiously there are a lot of Irish-Italian couples (rigorously married in the church with 10 childrens ) Yeah, Irish woman still have the concept of family ... |
My great-grandmother, an immigrant from Italy around 1900, married an Italian fellow, but he died leaving her with a store to run, a small farm, and four children. So she remarried, and her second husband was an Irishman. He was a foreman at the local paper mill, so she sold the store and bought a bunch of IBM stock. She finally died around 1983.
She was a big-time Catholic. Her family was from Barga (on the coast near Pisa). Know of it?
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She was a big-time Catholic. Her family was from Barga (on the coast near Pisa). Know of it? |
Pisan and catholic? Impossible ..... after hundreds of years of wars between the papal state and tuscany they still don't like the Church..... some of the best Italian Oils comes from there
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| erm67 wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: |
She was a big-time Catholic. Her family was from Barga (on the coast near Pisa). Know of it? |
Pisan and catholic? Impossible ..... after hundreds of years of wars between the papal state and tuscany they still don't like the Church..... some of the best Italian Oils comes from there |
Barga was fought over by Lucca and Pisa, and was not friendly with Pisa much of the time. The family is supposed to "arrived" there when the captain of a Spanish galleon wrecked on the coast after the defeat of the Spanish Armada, and settled there, apparently buying his way into the local nobility and controlling a portion of the lands around the town and a gate of the town. That ended during the Napoleonic time, after which they fell on hard times, apparently (my great grand-mother told a story about listening to her grandfather bemoaning his fate and blaming it on Napoleon, saying, "My family used to dress in silks and furs, and now we are reduced to selling all that we own!" Hence the emmigration, I suppose.
She was an incredible woman. I remember talking to her when I was a kid around 1975 or so -- apparently I was the first to tell her we had put a man on the moon, and she refused to believe it. She also refused to believe that "men came from monkeys", although she had heard of that long before. She also had a personally autographed photo sent by Ronald Reagan on her wall. I don't know how she got it or why.
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| BoneKracker wrote: |
Barga was fought over by Lucca and Pisa, and was not friendly with Pisa much of the time. |
That was around 1200, back then they allied with the Florentine. Now Barga is still administratively under Lucca but under the Archdiocese of Pisa. A half of the Italian euro coins are minted there, I think 1 2 and 5 cent coins since the "Barga Metallurgic Industries" are specialized in copper and copper alloys now.
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The family is supposed to "arrived" there when the captain of a Spanish galleon wrecked on the coast after the defeat of the Spanish Armada, and settled there, apparently buying his way into the local nobility and controlling a portion of the lands around the town and a gate of the town. |
It is highly unlikely that a Spanish galleon circumnavigated the entire europe after the defeat and wrecked exactly there where allied of England ruled ...
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That ended during the Napoleonic time, after which they fell on hard times, apparently (my great grand-mother told a story about listening to her grandfather bemoaning his fate and blaming it on Napoleon, saying, "My family used to dress in silks and furs, and now we are reduced to selling all that we own!" Hence the emmigration, I suppose. |
Yeah most of the commerce of the Granduchy was with England and with Napoleone and the Blockade it fell in ruins. But after the Napoleonic spell it was back flourishing. Steel works there were particularly important for the Granduchy army. It was after the unification of Italy that decadence returned, not being protected by favourable laws the steel works could not compete with warmongering Northern industries. Now it is again a rich town, UKian are the 4th largest group of immigrants.
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| erm67 wrote: | | It is highly unlikely that a Spanish galleon circumnavigated the entire europe after the defeat and wrecked exactly there where allied of England ruled ... |
Yeah, I know. I'm sure the story has become confused. I got that from my great-aunt, who researched the family lineage, including traveling to Barga and staying there a while. Although, come to think of it, I got it second hand. Maybe I should ask her about it while she's still alive.
| erm67 wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | That ended during the Napoleonic time, after which they fell on hard times, apparently (my great grand-mother told a story about listening to her grandfather bemoaning his fate and blaming it on Napoleon, saying, "My family used to dress in silks and furs, and now we are reduced to selling all that we own!" Hence the emmigration, I suppose. |
Yeah most of the commerce of the Granduchy was with England and with Napoleone and the Blockade it fell in ruins. But after the Napoleonic spell it was back flourishing. Steel works there were particularly important for the Granduchy army. It was after the unification of Italy that decadence returned, not being protected by favourable laws the steel works could not compete with warmongering Northern industries. Now it is again a rich town, UKian are the 4th largest group of immigrants. |
Hmm... maybe I'll move there. My brother visited, and from his pictures I see that it's a lovely place. It didn't exactly look like a thriving hub of commerce, though.
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Hmm... maybe I'll move there. My brother visited, and from his pictures I see that it's a lovely place. It didn't exactly look like a thriving hub of commerce, though. |
Major highways and railroad are 40km away that is problematic for commerce hubs.
Median income (+/- 30% tax evasion) is 19304€ a year (1948th place over 8094), unemployment around 5%, commerce accounts for 30% of income. Median age is 46, divorced (incredible) 1.7%, 35% unmarried, 9% widows.
It looks like homes are not particularly expensive, 2.500-3.000€ per square meter. Looks like a nice place to live, 1 hours from the beaches of Viareggio, 1/2 an hour from Lucca. There is a small hospital, but the ER are going to close soon, that is not good for the elderly 
And there is a local newspaper .... Their football team sucks and keeps losing games ... It is snowing at the moment. An invasion of rats in some parts of the town, the major promised quick action. No mention of criminality in the last week, looks like a quite place.
http://www.giornaledibarganews.com/2012/01/22/blessing-the-animals-in-barga/
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I've been cooking with that refined olive oil from Spain. Even though, you both may say it is not really olive oil, the taste obtained was good. Very distinctive and rich taste.
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| notageek wrote: | | I've been cooking with that refined olive oil from Spain. Even though, you both may say it is not really olive oil, the taste obtained was good. Very distinctive and rich taste. |
Just watch out for their ass tainted cucumbers.
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| notageek wrote: | | I've been cooking with that refined olive oil from Spain. Even though, you both may say it is not really olive oil, the taste obtained was good. Very distinctive and rich taste. |
It is olive oil, even if it is refined it MUST be obtained only from olives.
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Hey, I wasn't the one complaining about the oil I got.
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I use peanut oil or lard(but only if its home made) for frying, and extra virgin olive oil for everything else. Anything with bread has unsalted butter on it tho.
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| notageek wrote: | | Hey, I wasn't the one complaining about the oil I got. |
Try some extra virgin olive oil and you'll notice the difference. Pour over bread (when I say bread I mean flour/yeast/water/salt; no egg, milk, sugar, or any other extra crap) and you have the perfect breakfast
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Let me finish this bottle first. I noticed there are extra virgin oil available at the store I usually buy stuff from.
I'm making curry with it.
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| Nobody uses grape-seed oil? Good taste, supposedly healthy (although perhaps not as much as olive), and much higher smoke point. |
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meh smoke point.
make stews and add olive oil for taste. much better. or grill stuff. frying is for retards. |
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| Prenj wrote: | meh smoke point.
make stews and add olive oil for taste. much better. or grill stuff. frying is for retards. |
The grape-seed oil works excellent on the grill, actually. For instance, if you are grilling fish, a couple of applications to the grate prevents sticking and tearing apart. |
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